The diffrence between Cotto at 142 and at 147.

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IF you fight at 160 as Cotto does why dont he fight as a MW , I will tell you its because the rules can be abused to allow him to basicly lose an arm in water so he say me WW only to put it back so now me MW , so are you blind

by the way I didnt say how he looked I said he dont fight at either of those weights .

Dude, Pac is a great fighter and I agree he is to small for WW but your totally FULL OF ****. Pac has been doing the same damn thing in the lower weights. He has been putting on 10-12 pounds and going up multiple divisions after his weigh-ins.

He was fight at jrLW while actually the weight of a jrWW.

So everyone does it so please don't ask for a damn pity party for Pac.

If you want Pac to fight smaller guys fine. Nothing wrong with staying at jrWW. But don't try and pull this high and mighty crap about WW's being to big because its the same damn crap Pac and every other boxer is doing.

BTW Cotto isn't even a big WW. PW's, Clottey, Margarito and even Mosley are bigger WW's than Cotto. Cotto comes in at mid to high 50's.

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I see what your saying Manny Paq is the Draw he's the one that controls and sets the stipulations for the fight and I agree.

I think Cotto should pass and fight Mosley again...

Freddie Roach doesn't want any of Miguel Cotto or Shane Mosley thats why he basicly is weighing his fighter out of the fight.

well, let's flip that statement:

Cotto and Mosley don't want Pac because they arent' willing to fight at a 142.

this statement is just as valid as your statement. The point is, the fight shouldn't be made and we shouldn't even be talking about it anymore.

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Dude, Pac is a great fighter and I agree he is to small for WW but your totally FULL OF ****. Pac has been doing the same damn thing in the lower weights. He has been putting on 10-12 pounds and going up multiple divisions after his weigh-ins.

He was fight at jrLW while actually the weight of a jrWW.

So everyone does it so please don't ask for a damn pity party for Pac.

If you want Pac to fight smaller guys fine. Nothing wrong with staying at jrWW. But don't try and pull this high and mighty crap about WW's being to big because its the same damn crap Pac and every other boxer is doing.

BTW Cotto isn't even a big WW. PW's, Clottey, Margarito and even Mosley are bigger WW's than Cotto. Cotto comes in at mid to high 50's.

pac officially weighted 138 lbs to fight hatton. when was the last time cotto officially weighted 138 lbs?????

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well, let's flip that statement:

Cotto and Mosley don't want Pac because they arent' willing to fight at a 142.

this statement is just as valid as your statement. The point is, the fight shouldn't be made and we shouldn't even be talking about it anymore.

Nah, it's not as valid. Pac at 147 is still healthy. Cotto or SSM at 142 is not healthy. Big difference.

But I agree with your overall point. This fight shouldn't have happened in the first place.

We should see Cotto-SSM 2.

[Left2body]

pac officially weighted 138 lbs to fight hatton. when was the last time cotto officially weighted 138 lbs?????

Its just as valid as Rob's statement. Rob is argueing and complaining about the fact that guys go up multiple weight divisions after their weight-in. WTF cares everyone does it. Cotto isn't the biggest WW. There are many others bigger.

I don't even want to see Pac at WW. There are better fights for Cotto against real WW's in Mosley and PBF. But 142lbs is totally BS.

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Dude, Pac is a great fighter and I agree he is to small for WW but your totally FULL OF ****. Pac has been doing the same damn thing in the lower weights. He has been putting on 10-12 pounds and going up multiple divisions after his weigh-ins.

He was fight at jrLW while actually the weight of a jrWW.

So everyone does it so please don't ask for a damn pity party for Pac.

If you want Pac to fight smaller guys fine. Nothing wrong with staying at jrWW. But don't try and pull this high and mighty crap about WW's being to big because its the same damn crap Pac and every other boxer is doing.

BTW Cotto isn't even a big WW. PW's, Clottey, Margarito and even Mosley are bigger WW's than Cotto. Cotto comes in at mid to high 50's.

Im not sticking up for Pac per se , Im sticking up for every fighter that gets screwed at the scales and then is called a ***** for not fighting a monster the 30hr weigh-in is abused by some to get it where its anything but a fair fight .

http://www.boxing-monthly.co.uk/content/0008/two.htm

" Jim Watt, former lightweight champion of the world turned television pundit is one of the most vocal supporters of same-day weighing in. He is one of a growing minority of people within the sport who feel that the dangers of having huge weight discrepancies between fighters are greater than the dangers of dehydration.

Watt argues that too many fighters step off the scales to go on a 24-36 hour binge and pack on as much weight as possible before the first bell. He believes it is a case of a good theory making bad practice.

"Don't get me wrong, the idea is good," said Watt when I telephoned him. "Many of the dangers of boxing have been linked with dehydration, and so giving fighters 24 hours to re-hydrate their bodies therefore must be a good idea on paper.

"But the problem is that this time period is getting abused. Fighters who should not dream of fighting at certain weights are punishing their bodies, murdering themselves, to make the limit and then rely on this period of up to 36 hours to get back up to something like normal again.

"If they had to weigh in on the day of the fight, and if they wanted to fight with any sort of strength, they would be forced to fight at a more healthy weight for their bodies. This 24-36 hour period is giving fighters a lot of incentive to fight at the wrong weight."

And the dangers are exacerbated when only one fighter packs in the pounds. "When someone fights for a title at 12 stone [168lbs], that's exactly what he's supposed to be - a 12 stone fighter. He's not supposed to be a bloody cruiserweight. It's totally unfair to those boxing at a more natural weight - the ones who aren't taking these silly chances with their health. Sometimes these guys are giving away a full stone in weight and I don't need to say that's dangerous. They are at a massive disadvantage. Essentially these fellows are punished for been sensible and abiding by the rules."

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Nah, it's not as valid. Pac at 147 is still healthy. Cotto or SSM at 142 is not healthy. Big difference.

good point, but cotto and ssm are pratically MW while pac is a WW on fight night. also BIG DIFFERENCE.

therefore a 142 lbs catchweight is justified.

But I agree with your overall point. This fight shouldn't have happened in the first place. We should see Cotto-SSM 2.

exactly, lets start talking about realistic fights

Its just as valid as Rob's statement. Rob is argueing and complaining about the fact that guys go up multiple weight divisions after their weight-in. WTF cares everyone does it. Cotto isn't the biggest WW. There are many others bigger.

that's cool, as long as everything is applied equally and fairly.

I don't even want to see Pac at WW. There are better fights for Cotto against real WW's in Mosley and PBF.

agreed!!!

But 142lbs is totally BS.

not really because:
pac officially weighted 138 lbs to fight hatton. when was the last time cotto officially weighted 138 lbs?????

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good point, but cotto and ssm are pratically MW while pac is a WW on fight night. also BIG DIFFERENCE.

therefore a 142 lbs catchweight is justified.


exactly, lets start talking about realistic fights


that's cool, as long as everything is applied equally and fairly.


agreed!!!


not really because:
pac officially weighted 138 lbs to fight hatton. when was the last time cotto officially weighted 138 lbs?????

Cotto doesn't fight at Jr. WW like Hatton does...He fights at WW so why would he way under 140?

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Cotto doesn't fight at Jr. WW like Hatton does...He fights at WW so why would he way under 140?

exactly! so cotto/pac isn't a fair fight and shouldn't be made.

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like waht i mentione di in other threads why they dont fight at 147 then put a cap on hydration to 10 lbs to a max of 157 lbs ...

at fight night

cotto ... 157
pac ... 148

imho its good enought to make the fight ...