How would Mayweather fight Pac?

[The Noose]

JMM was an aggressive counter puncher. Floyd is a careful pot shotter, waiting for his moments to throw.

Floyd will be forced to be more aggressive when Pac attacks. Floyd will have to jab and land his right. Pac has to fire back with multiple shots, than it should get interesting.

But i dont see Floyd being hurt. And think he will eventually land enough to win.

Hopefully Pac will score enough in most rounds to get the decision if he throws enough.

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Just explain to me what is Mayweather going to do to beat Pac? What secret is he going to show that he hasn't shown before? We can have a friendly bet if the fight takes place. I don't hate Mayweather, I just lost respect for him due to him going after all safe "money" bouts. He is going to have to actually fight in this one.. no matter what.

I am glad to explain it. Punches. That's how you win fights.

There are two main questions to be answered (and we will see the answer when Mayweather fights Marquez)

1) Did Mayweather decrease his output because he wa fighting bigger guys? Or is it because his hands are gone.

2) How are Mayweather speed and timing affected by the layoff?

The answer to these tells me how the fight will go, and this is another way of asking the same questions:

1) Is Pac going ot face the potshotter we saw at 147, or he is going to face the guy who throws combo we saw at 130-140?

2) Is Pac going to face the most accurate puncher in compubox history or a diminished version?

Bottom line if Mayweather is the same guy who lands the right hand at will on everyone, and if he can still throw punches in bunches. Then it's his fight.

If Mayweather still can throw and land many punches, then he will choose to come forward, like he usually does against lefties. That's not good for Pacquiao, because he certainly does not want the fight going on the inside, and his best choice would be to mount his attack while moving away from Mayweather. Mayweather is certainly more comfortable fighting while coming forward than Pac is going backwards.

If Mayweather ability to land is diminished for one reason or the other, than coming forward against Pac might not be a possible plan, and then Pac can lead and then... his being a lefty, plus his speed, and his workrate. Will mean trouble for Mayweather. Sure Mayweather can (and will) land a number of counters, but will those be enough?

ps: All fighters go for the safest available money. Pac is no exception to that.

[sikwatee]

As usual, Mayweather will do Counters. He knows Pac's weaknesses I guess.

But I;m afraid if Pac wins this in a KO (anything can happen in boxing), people will say Mayweather is shot. Semi-retired. Old. Past his prime.

Pac will get discredited again?

[baracuda]

i cant wait for these clowns that think JMM or PAC remotely has a chance against PBF watch their fave boxers get their asses handed to them

i cant wait...i cant wait...i cant wait...bring on floyd,pac would murder that ***** if jmm does'nt do it!

[Shadow boxer 3]

its hard to say. but i know it will be a good fight

[FistoftheDallasStar]

I am glad to explain it. Punches. That's how you win fights.

Dude literally thanks for that late breaking info.

There are two main questions to be answered (and we will see the answer when Mayweather fights Marquez)

We will see what Mayweather can do against Marquez to gauge what he can do to Pac? Hmmm. That isn't a good answer.

1) Did Mayweather decrease his output because he wa fighting bigger guys? Or is it because his hands are gone.

It's because he was fighting bigger guys and he is afraid to get caught. His hands are not gone.

2) How are Mayweather speed and timing affected by the layoff?

Every fighter will have some rust after a layoff. That is a given.

1) Is Pac going ot face the potshotter we saw at 147, or he is going to face the guy who throws combo we saw at 130-140?

Floyd will be playing into Pac's fight if he throws combos and gets aggresive. He might attempt this at first but he will go back to pot shoting. To be honest PBF will have to alternate between the two. All out aggression against Pac is a no no.

2) Is Pac going to face the most accurate puncher in compubox history or a diminished version?

To be accurate Floyd will have to let his hands go which leaves him open as well.

Bottom line if Mayweather is the same guy who lands the right hand at will on everyone, and if he can still throw punches in bunches. Then it's his fight.

He won't be able to land it at will because of Pac's unorthodox offense. If any fighter landed any punch at will it would be done over fin'. Floyd won't be able to consistently keep Manny off of him. If he stands and throws combos he might get in some but so will Pac. Pretty much it's going to go down to who can time who and get there punches in first. Which I believe it will be Pac-man. Floyd will not dominate he will be in a war unlike he has been in so far in his career. That is the advantage that Pac has over PBF he has been there before in regards to give and take battles.

If Mayweather still can throw and land many punches, then he will choose to come forward, like he usually does against lefties. That's not good for Pacquiao, because he certainly does not want the fight going on the inside, and his best choice would be to mount his attack while moving away from Mayweather. Mayweather is certainly more comfortable fighting while coming forward than Pac is going backwards.

When has Pac fought backwards. He would leave a red carpet invitation for Floyd to come forward. The thing that sets Manny apart from many "average" boxers is his lateral movement. Floyd comes forward Pac may go back, or to the left, then back up the middle (basically this is what Manny brings to the table, unpredictable movement). Manny sets up his offensive based on his uncanny footwork. If Floyd comes forward I will tell you right now the fight will be over in less than 4 rounds..

If Mayweather ability to land is diminished for one reason or the other, than coming forward against Pac might not be a possible plan, and then Pac can lead and then... his being a lefty, plus his speed, and his workrate. Will mean trouble for Mayweather. Sure Mayweather can (and will) land a number of counters, but will those be enough?

No they won't. You just answered the outcome of the fight yourself. Floyd will not be able to come forward on Pac. Once this has been tried by Mayweather and he tastes a couple of hard shots he will go into all defense mode. Depending on how early this happens in the fight will play a hand on weather Pac will win by KO or UD. Floyd is hard to hit when he gets defensive, that is no doubt. But that coupled with Manny's aggressive attack style will make the judges score rounds for Pac. In other words if he (PBF) gets defensive too early he is going to lose lots of rounds to Pac. And then his only hope would be to try and get some late round rally's started which again will play into Manny's agressive style.

ps: All fighters go for the safest available money. Pac is no exception to that.

I think Mayweather has that cornered hands down. It's pretty obvious that Floyd has avoided big money fights with legit fighters to go get the quick easy money from lesser fighters. The money will be there for both fighters so there won't be a financial excuse, this fight should take place soon. We better save this so we can compare notes when the fight actually takes place.

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Dude literally thanks for that late breaking info.

It's a pleasure

We will see what Mayweather can do against Marquez to gauge what he can do to Pac? Hmmm. That isn't a good answer.

...I assume that after typing this you actualy read what the two questions were about, and now you know what I meant by taht

It's because he was fighting bigger guys and he is afraid to get caught. His hands are not gone.

That's what I hope for, but that does not explain why he stops throwing in the middle of a fight where he is doing what he wants (Baldomir) or takes hours working the body of a guy he is clearly outfighting (Hatton).

Every fighter will have some rust after a layoff. That is a given.

Of course, and the fighter in question is also above 30, it will be interesting to see how much those traits have been affected by age and layoff.

Floyd will be playing into Pac's fight if he throws combos and gets aggresive. He might attempt this at first but he will go back to pot shoting. To be honest PBF will have to alternate between the two. All out aggression against Pac is a no no.

Moving forward is not all out aggression, but I agree mixing approaches will be good (it always is). That's a thing that Mayweather does better than anyone I have seen in a long long time.

To be accurate Floyd will have to let his hands go which leaves him open as well.

Incorrect, but you have a point beacsue he will need to leave himself more open than usual to throw more punches. The beauty of this fight is that Mayweather will have to (and choose to) fight.

He won't be able to land it at will because of Pac's unorthodox offense. If any fighter landed any punch at will it would be done over fin'. Floyd won't be able to consistently keep Manny off of him. If he stands and throws combos he might get in some but so will Pac. Pretty much it's going to go down to who can time who and get there punches in first. Which I believe it will be Pac-man. Floyd will not dominate he will be in a war unlike he has been in so far in his career. That is the advantage that Pac has over PBF he has been there before in regards to give and take battles.

If JMM landed on Pac, Mayweather will land more and with more power, Pac has more handspeed, timing is hands down Mayweather's.

Again I really look forward to see how Mayweather does in a torrid fight. If Pac was slightly bigger and a better inside fighter, I would pick pac to win this fight. As it is, Pac is a nature greak and ever improving, but there is still a gap in skills there, his inside fighitng, defense, uppercuts, jabs are not on Mayweather's level.

When has Pac fought backwards. He would leave a red carpet invitation for Floyd to come forward. The thing that sets Manny apart from many "average" boxers is his lateral movement. Floyd comes forward Pac may go back, or to the left, then back up the middle (basically this is what Manny brings to the table, unpredictable movement). Manny sets up his offensive based on his uncanny footwork. If Floyd comes forward I will tell you right now the fight will be over in less than 4 rounds..

Sorry I abused the terms forward and backward. assume that by forward i mean forward and cutting off, and by backward I mean backwards and evasive side movements.

(What you bolded, makes me think you don't know much about boxing...)

No they won't. You just answered the outcome of the fight yourself. Floyd will not be able to come forward on Pac. Once this has been tried by Mayweather and he tastes a couple of hard shots he will go into all defense mode. Depending on how early this happens in the fight will play a hand on weather Pac will win by KO or UD. Floyd is hard to hit when he gets defensive, that is no doubt. But that coupled with Manny's aggressive attack style will make the judges score rounds for Pac. In other words if he (PBF) gets defensive too early he is going to lose lots of rounds to Pac. And then his only hope would be to try and get some late round rally's started which again will play into Manny's agressive style.

You see, it never happened that MAyweather tasted punches and went defensive if anything it has always been the other way round. He gets hit, he recomposes and becomes more aggressive. This is for a siple reason, he always starts out on the defensive.

"Floyd will not be able to come forward on Pac" is your opinion, and it's not backed up by anything you have saw in a ring.

I think Mayweather has that cornered hands down. It's pretty obvious that Floyd has avoided big money fights with legit fighters to go get the quick easy money from lesser fighters. The money will be there for both fighters so there won't be a financial excuse, this fight should take place soon. We better save this so we can compare notes when the fight actually takes place.

Like which fights? All fighters are the same from Jack Dempsey to Ray Robinson to Ray Leonard to Floyd Mayweather to Manny Pacquiao (and that's the way it should be) The only difference is Mayweather does not hide behind his promoter or his team.

Mayweather moved up to 135 to face the best 135er available when he needed to make a name for himself. When he started having money options, he simply picked those.

Anyway I really look forward to this fight. I hope Mayweather shows his old self against Marquez, I hope Pac brings his best socks and his right hand.

And we have a great fight.

[FistoftheDallasStar]

Moving forward is not all out aggression, but I agree mixing approaches will be good (it always is). That's a thing that Mayweather does better than anyone I have seen in a long long time.

They are both great at timing shots, Mayweather won't have the absolute advantage here.

If JMM landed on Pac, Mayweather will land more and with more power, Pac has more handspeed, timing is hands down Mayweather's.

Again I really look forward to see how Mayweather does in a torrid fight. If Pac was slightly bigger and a better inside fighter, I would pick pac to win this fight. As it is, Pac is a nature greak and ever improving, but there is still a gap in skills there, his inside fighitng, defense, uppercuts, jabs are not on Mayweather's level.

JMM was the exception but he too could not square up on Manny to land his power shots at a consistent basis. When he got lazy and came in attempting to throw a power combo.. What happened? He got decked with a straight left. JMM did enough to make the fights close but not enough to take the fight to Manny. The only way you can win a decision on Pac is to take the fight to him but on the flip side it is also playing into his style. Pac turns your offense against you.

Pac's herky jerky (for lack of a better word) style, the constant jumping and changing directions and angles is Pac's inside fighting. He has, along with the help of Freddy Roach, created a new style of fighting. This is his inside fighting. No one has seen this exact style of southpaw in boxing history. That's why Manny has been also destroying his sparring partners. People don't know how confusing this style can be until your in the ring with him and then (pardon me for the cliche') It's too late.

Sorry I abused the terms forward and backward. assume that by forward i mean forward and cutting off, and by backward I mean backwards and evasive side movements.

(What you bolded, makes me think you don't know much about boxing...)

No problem, I know what you meant. I consider coming forward a strategic offensive move by using the jab to control an opponent's position and coming forward with a power punch or counter when you see an opening, gaining ground in the process. Repeating this until you have cornered your opponent against the ropes... You mean basically try and copy JMM's so called blueprint. I don't think this offense works well with PBF, coming forward.
1) he relies to much on his speed and often drops his guard. Meaning he likes to bait fighters to hit him so his reflexes can get an advantage and counter. Pac will go to the body instead of falling for the old "head hunter" gag.
2) He will leave himself open for a straight left power shot. If Floyd was stunned by Zab coming in Pac can also hurt him coming with either hand.
Floyd has to fight the type of fight he is used to doing. IMO Floyd chin has never been tested and it will be tested in this fight. We can agree to disagree on this one. But for the most part I respect your stance on the fight.

[marsman]

same way he fought Zab.

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They are both great at timing shots, Mayweather won't have the absolute advantage here.

We'll have to disagree on this one. After seeing Mayweather learned how to time Judah (who -key point- was faster than he was), in a few rounds, it is hard for me to think of someone with better timing.

JMM was the exception but he too could not square up on Manny to land his power shots at a consistent basis. When he got lazy and came in attempting to throw a power combo.. What happened? He got decked with a straight left. JMM did enough to make the fights close but not enough to take the fight to Manny. The only way you can win a decision on Pac is to take the fight to him but on the flip side it is also playing into his style. Pac turns your offense against you.

I will get back to this later, when I reply to your last paragraph. Anyway I think that who of us is right on this one is also making the correct guess on how the fight will go

Pac's herky jerky (for lack of a better word) style, the constant jumping and changing directions and angles is Pac's inside fighting. He has, along with the help of Freddy Roach, created a new style of fighting. This is his inside fighting. No one has seen this exact style of southpaw in boxing history. That's why Manny has been also destroying his sparring partners. People don't know how confusing this style can be until your in the ring with him and then (pardon me for the cliche') It's too late.

I am not debating that Pac's movement is very effective, but I would not call that inside fighting, because it does not tell me much on how he would deal with someone who grabs, hold, yanks and does all sorts of "niceties".

Let me put it this way. Pep had all the movements in the world, but Saddler was more often than not able to drag him in a complete streetfight, where every foul known to man was used. Can Pac avoid that? He better be able to do that, and the most obvious way he has is moving away from Mayweather. That's why Mayweather has

No problem, I know what you meant. I consider coming forward a strategic offensive move by using the jab to control an opponent's position and coming forward with a power punch or counter when you see an opening, gaining ground in the process. Repeating this until you have cornered your opponent against the ropes... You mean basically try and copy JMM's so called blueprint. I don't think this offense works well with PBF, coming forward.
1) he relies to much on his speed and often drops his guard. Meaning he likes to bait fighters to hit him so his reflexes can get an advantage and counter. Pac will go to the body instead of falling for the old "head hunter" gag.
2) He will leave himself open for a straight left power shot. If Floyd was stunned by Zab coming in Pac can also hurt him coming with either hand.
Floyd has to fight the type of fight he is used to doing. IMO Floyd chin has never been tested and it will be tested in this fight. We can agree to disagree on this one. But for the most part I respect your stance on the fight.

1) Hmm... I disagree... in that Mayweather rarely drops his guard against lefties, he usually resorts to fighting them more aggressively behind a hi guard, until he gets on hte inside. As for the bodywork, yes there will be a good amount of body shots in this fight, and there will be plenty coming drom Mayweather. Being a lefty against someone who loves to jab and hook to the body with that accuracy is a tough job.

2) I completely agree that Mayweather's chin will be touched plenty in this fight (mostly by the right hand tho), I think it has shown it is a good chin, the guy did eat some shots, and was never really bothered even when he clearly felt them... now, the good thing is that Pac will land more than a few.

So yeah coming back to the other paragraph, I believe a healthy Mayweather can and will push the fight for the majority of it. No need to push pac in the corner, what he should want is to have pac be in an evasive mode most of the time. If you think he cannot, well I see why you don't think he can win the fight. We'll have to disagree.