It is right to give Subliminal points for the guy coming foward?

[Dynamite Kid]

It is right to give Subliminal points for the guy coming foward,being aggressive ?

Calzaghe vs Hopkins perfect example. Calzaghe did not land effectively and he was the ineffective aggressor. The criteria the fight should of been scored on for what Calzaghe was TRYING to do would be the effective aggressor, but he was clearly not the effective aggressor. Im not trying to turn this into a Calzaghe hate thread im just using this fight as an example, because it illustrates the point perfectly imo. Calzaghe seemed to get the decision because the judges scored Subliminal points for the guy coming foward,being aggressive.

You could argue, it was the same scenario when my boy Tito won his fight with DLH. I will add a poll to this.

[Ryn0]

ONLY, if there is little else to score the fight on.

Hopkins v Joe is the perfect example IMO, past the 4th round Hopkins just wasn't throwing enough to make it "his round" He would land very little in a round just because he wasn't throwing. Joe would come forward and land ineffective light punches but in much more volume that Hopkins was even throwing. He would maybe tap Hopkins to the body or head, in a normal fight If Joe was doing this in a "normal fight" and being uneffective and the opponent was able to land enough clean shots even going backward then Joe would lose the rounds..

[-Blackout-]

ONLY, if there is little else to score the fight on.

Hopkins v Joe is the perfect example IMO, past the 4th round Hopkins just wasn't throwing enough to make it "his round" He would land very little in a round just because he wasn't throwing. Joe would come forward and land ineffective light punches but in much more volume that Hopkins was even throwing. He would maybe tap Hopkins to the body or head, in a normal fight If Joe was doing this in a "normal fight" and being uneffective and the opponent was able to land enough clean shots even going backward then Joe would lose the rounds..

Co sign, That's the only way to legitimate subliminal scoring for being aggresive even though it's not effective aggressiveness

[ACHlLLES]

Someone has to make the fight, that or were watching another of Floyd type fights.

[Dynamite Kid]

ONLY, if there is little else to score the fight on.

Hopkins v Joe is the perfect example IMO, past the 4th round Hopkins just wasn't throwing enough to make it "his round" He would land very little in a round just because he wasn't throwing. Joe would come forward and land ineffective light punches but in much more volume that Hopkins was even throwing. He would maybe tap Hopkins to the body or head, in a normal fight If Joe was doing this in a "normal fight" and being uneffective and the opponent was able to land enough clean shots even going backward then Joe would lose the rounds..

I agree to an extent.

I guess im gonna contradict myself here, because i always say regardless whether one guy wins the rounds more decisively(Hopkins) or not there is still a winner and a loser to a round, and numerically if you won more rounds, albeit less spectacular/effectively(Calzaghe) technically you have won the fight.

So technically using my own train of thought Calzaghe won the fight. However when i look at the Calzaghe fight on a whole i find it hard to give him the fight, because of how narrowly he won the rounds he won, and because he probably won a lot of them with subliminal points from the judges because he was coming foward. Also what Hopkins DID do in those 4 rounds seemed more effective than what Calzaghe did over 12.

I would of called that fight a draw personally.

I think you have to make a bigger impression than that to win a decision in a big fight, but having said that you still gotta score the fight right by round as its unfolding so you cant just rip your scorecard up at the end, if numerically Joe has won more rounds.


Its a toughy. Im confused.

[floydjoy]

harold ledderman said it's part of the scoring of fights, effective agression.

[Dynamite Kid]

harold ledderman said it's part of the scoring of fights, effective agression.

We are talking about scoring points for ineffective aggressiveness. We know and agree with the scoring criteria of effective aggression.