Bernard Hopkins/Floyd Mayweather

[jrv1932]

I know Hopkins is 44 but Floyd could be 50 and there would still be this hate. Pavlik did fight Taylor at 164 but that was because Taylor said he could no longer make weight at 160, but Pavlik was still Middleweight champ and planned to resume fighting at that weight. Trinidad was still smaller. Again, I'm not discredeting him, just making comparisons.

[djtmal]

yup. he turned himsel into a veggie because he didn't want to move up in weight. Notice in the RJJ/HOPkins interview he mentions and emphaizes "REASONABLE REASONABLE CATCH WEIGHT". He always wants the advantage. he knes RJJ was too big for him in the rematch and didn't want none. PERIOD.

quote from hopkins in ring mag:

"If they knew what I had to go through all those years to stay at middleweight and rack up those 20 defenses, I'd get a blue ribbon for that."

Just think about this statement, then look at that weak opposition he fought at middleweight and tell me this guy isn't overrated. He's still fighting blown up middles even at 175.

[Pullcounter]

um let me take this one..these are my 2 favorite fighters..but to answer your question...hopkins is 44 and floyd is 32

/ thread this is the answer

[ИATAS]

BHOP
Trinidad-Was a great undefeated fighter who was naturally a smaller man. Hmmmm?

Trinidad was ALREADY a middleweight CHAMPION when bhop fought him. Bhop was the underdog, somewhere around 6-1. Bhop didn't use his size at all in this fight, he used superior technical skill, which is exactly why people say this was bernards greatest fight. Bhop did his job by UNIFYING all of the middleweight belts, including the Ring belt, by beating Tito. In fact, Hopkins was the first, and ONLY man to ever hold all of the belts at the same time.

De La Hoya- The cash cow. Had to move up in weight to fight Hopkins at a catch weight. Way undersized compared to Hopkins.

Hopkins weighed in at 156. Oscar held is own until he got KO'd. I agree Oscar didn't look good his previous fight against Sturm, but so what, it's oscar. There isn't a single fighter in the world that would pass up the opportunity to fight him. Besides, Oscar challenged Bernard not the other way around, and Bernard had already cleared up the division so there really were no other bigger fights than Oscar.

Tarver- Hopkins moved up and it was a good win

And I'd like to point out Hopkins was 40 years old and again, an underdog, this time 4-1. Tarver was THE MAN at 175, coming off of wins over Roy Jones and Glen Johnson. And bhop schooled his ass.

Wright-Fought most of his career at 154. Only a couple fights at middleweight. Had to move up to 170 to fight Hopkins.

Wright was a guy that no one wanted to fight and was ranked in the top 10 pound 4 pound. He didn't look great against Bernard , but his style would give anyone problems not named Paul Williams. The fight is what is though, a money fight.

Calzaghe- Moved up to 175 to fight Hopkins from 168.

Calzaghe had stated that he was already moving up to 175. This was his plan all along. Bhop just so happened to be the man at 175 at the right time.

Pavlik- Middleweight champ had to move up to 170 to fight Hopkins.

And??? He also KTFO out of Jermaine Taylor, then beat Jermaine Taylor at 166 pounds, just 4 pounds away. Hopkins schooled him so badly it wouldn't have matted if it was at 154!!

In addition, prior to the hopkins fight, both Pavlik and his trainer made it perfectly clear they were going to move up in weight, because Kelly was having problems making 160 pounds. The plan was for them to go up in weight and leave the middleweight division. Obviously, after hopkins schooled his ass at age 43, they decided to stay at 160.

I mean Winky, Oscar, Trinidad, Joe, and Pavlik

Again, Trinidad was ALREADY a middleweight. ****, even Oscar was a middlweight before fighting hopkins.

Another thing, besides Winky, all these guys challenged bhop.

Pavlik moved up 10 pounds to fight Bernard

4 pounds.

Oscar went DOWN four pounds to fight Bernard (oscar fought Sturm at 160, fought Bernard at 156).

Trinidad Stayed the same weight (was already a cham at 160).

Hopkins doesn't want to fight Chad Dawson

Hopkins is 44 years old and Chad Dawson cant even sell 1,000 tickets.

and turned down Roy Jones

Bernard said he didn't want to fight Jones anymore because of this:


Really, is there a point anymore??? What does it prove, beating a washed up Jones??

Hopkins was on board to fight Jones, as long as Jones beat calzaghe or at least kept it competitive. Jones did neither and practically died of blood loss lol!

but Floyd is hated on for not fighting certain guys.

Floyd is hated for a million reasons.

[jrv1932]

I could make similar arguments for Floyds opposition. Hell Ricky Hatton won a belt at 147 but people say he picked on a smaller guy in ricky. Marquez called out floyd, etc etc etc

Trinidad was ALREADY a middleweight CHAMPION when bhop fought him. Bhop was the underdog, somewhere around 6-1. Bhop didn't use his size at all in this fight, he used superior technical skill, which is exactly why people say this was bernards greatest fight. Bhop did his job by UNIFYING all of the middleweight belts, including the Ring belt, by beating Tito. In fact, Hopkins was the first, and ONLY man to ever hold all of the belts at the same time.



Hopkins weighed in at 156. Oscar held is own until he got KO'd. I agree Oscar didn't look good his previous fight against Sturm, but so what, it's oscar. There isn't a single fighter in the world that would pass up the opportunity to fight him. Besides, Oscar challenged Bernard not the other way around, and Bernard had already cleared up the division so there really were no other bigger fights than Oscar.



And I'd like to point out Hopkins was 40 years old and again, an underdog, this time 4-1. Tarver was THE MAN at 175, coming off of wins over Roy Jones and Glen Johnson. And bhop schooled his ass.



Wright was a guy that no one wanted to fight and was ranked in the top 10 pound 4 pound. He didn't look great against Bernard , but his style would give anyone problems not named Paul Williams. The fight is what is though, a money fight.



Calzaghe had stated that he was already moving up to 175. This was his plan all along. Bhop just so happened to be the man at 175 at the right time.



And??? He also KTFO out of Jermaine Taylor, then beat Jermaine Taylor at 166 pounds, just 4 pounds away. Hopkins schooled him so badly it wouldn't have matted if it was at 154!!

In addition, prior to the hopkins fight, both Pavlik and his trainer made it perfectly clear they were going to move up in weight, because Kelly was having problems making 160 pounds. The plan was for them to go up in weight and leave the middleweight division. Obviously, after hopkins schooled his ass at age 43, they decided to stay at 160.



Again, Trinidad was ALREADY a middleweight. ****, even Oscar was a middlweight before fighting hopkins.

Another thing, besides Winky, all these guys challenged bhop.



4 pounds.

Oscar went DOWN four pounds to fight Bernard (oscar fought Sturm at 160, fought Bernard at 156).

Trinidad Stayed the same weight (was already a cham at 160).



Hopkins is 44 years old and Chad Dawson cant even sell 1,000 tickets.



Bernard said he didn't want to fight Jones anymore because of this:


Really, is there a point anymore??? What does it prove, beating a washed up Jones??

Hopkins was on board to fight Jones, as long as Jones beat calzaghe or at least kept it competitive. Jones did neither and practically died of blood loss lol!



Floyd is hated for a million reasons.