Just rewatching Trinidad vs Vargas.

[Pullcounter]

Thrown to the wolves too early. Destined legends of the game might overcome such a test, but failure is the norm.

yup... this could happen to victor ortiz. I hope his handlers learn from vargas' career.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I don't know if that's always true (Campas & Chavez are two opposites to that) but you're right about Vargas. Tito was simply too much at this stage. had he been maneuvered right, he may have ended up better than all of them. Hard to believe he gave Oscar as many problems as he did, especially considering how terrible he looked after Tito (Rivera and the sparring partner he fought).

Well, don't confuse staying busy with taking the big fight early. Campas and Chavez stayed busy, which is a trade mark of Mexican fighters but they took the big fight as soon as it came.

The reason why this happens is the obvious, they need money. When you live in poverty, you understand you might not get another chance at the big bucks.

Someone like Trinidad and Cotto were coddled early on, setting up their big payday. I don't think the handlers for Ortiz will do the same since he has been brought up here in the U.S.

He could be something special if they handle him right.

[street bully]

Trinidad might have had his magic wraps on, and he low blowed the hell out of Vargas when Vargas was controlling the pace.

[IMDAZED]

I don't understand why there is such emphasis on the low blow (actually, I do. Thanks, Jim Lampley!). It didn't affect the fight. Yes Vargas dropped Tito in the fourth but he wasn't seriously hurt...at all. That was a flash knockdown if I ever saw one.

And second, it certainly didn't change the momentum of the bout. Vargas' best rounds were 5 & 6. But the fight turned around again once Tito started puttin' them thangs on him in the seventh.

[IMDAZED]

Well, don't confuse staying busy with taking the big fight early. Campas and Chavez stayed busy, which is a trade mark of Mexican fighters but they took the big fight as soon as it came.

The reason why this happens is the obvious, they need money. When you live in poverty, you understand you might not get another chance at the big bucks.

Someone like Trinidad and Cotto were coddled early on, setting up their big payday. I don't think the handlers for Ortiz will do the same since he has been brought up here in the U.S.

He could be something special if they handle him right.

What he said.

[The Surgeon]

Man that was a hell of a fight.

No ****! I FRIKKEN Love that fight they was my favourite and second favourite fighters at the time (Tyson aside) and i couldnt pick a winner

Vargas was all but finnished from then on tho