Roach: Manny CAN'T make 135...His best weight is 140"

[Shattered Jaw]

Ummn no...hers Cotto at 140 pounds.



Heres cotto at 147

Good post. Years down the line they want Cotto at 142? Lmfao.

[Benny Leonard]

Co-sign homey. So why not make the fight there if it's gonna happen? It's for Pac's title and no size excuses to discredit Mr boat buyer if he won.

Because there is no point when neither are going to weight that much by fight-time.

Freddie's point with having Floyd lower his weight was this: We want to make him work; we want to take something out of him for fight-time.

Let’s be real: It's about the FIGHT inside the RING and not the SCALES. Fight a Healthy fighter. In order to have a better chance of doing that, just show up for the fight. They should just skip the weigh-in. If they want, put a "cap" for a fight-time weight of 150. 150 isn't so bad given Hatton was over that.

NO EXCUSES would be to do the above. Excuses will come out if Floyd shows up Flat because his body wasn't used to draining weight and then rehydrating. I posted that video of Floyd that discussed this.

Floyd's not young anymore and every time you try to take a risk with your body (as it is aging into the 30's), the bigger the chance is to screw it up.

This is why I don't want to see Cotto coming down in weight or Shane.

Pac would be better served as well since he wouldn't have to drain and rehydrate as well. The advantage however is that he is used to the process so he is more likely to be fine. Freddie knows this.


Pac will have other advantages anyway. Be sure that Freddie will insist on Floyd wearing "Reyes" gloves so that his hands aren't protecting like the "Winning" or even "Grant" gloves he likes to wear.

[QUISQUEYA]

Ain't Mr boat buyer's ****suckers always insisting it's cruel & unusual punishment for your boy to fight a top WW? You don't want him to silence his critics by doin that, and now you don't want him to have an unquestionable win over Pac? Do your thing Dios. It ain't worth you gettin mad over homey.

mang,

My point is that if both fighters are the same size, why bother going through the 'make weight' charade? That is what i REALLY need someone to explain to me.

OK, I understand forcing Oscar to 147. Because if Manny fought Oscar at 154, then DLH would have been 164-166 on fight night.

But you KNOW - one thousand percent - that Floyd will be 148-ish on fight night. So will manny. There will be no surprises there. What is the purpose of artificially going to 140, just to have the guys come back to 147-148? THAT is where the weight classes are farcical.

Why would a win over Pac ever be "questioned"... or vice versa?

[MANGLER]

mang,

My point is that if both fighters are the same size, why bother going through the 'make weight' charade? That is what i REALLY need someone to explain to me.

OK, I understand forcing Oscar to 147. Because if Manny fought Oscar at 154, then DLH would have been 164-166 on fight night.

But you KNOW - one thousand percent - that Floyd will be 148-ish on fight night. So will manny. There will be no surprises there. What is the purpose of artificially going to 140, just to have the guys come back to 147-148? THAT is where the weight classes are farcical.

Why would a win over Pac ever be "questioned"... or vice versa?

Mr boat buyer is bigger than Pac. By a huge margin, no, but bigger Dios. In a perfect world, these guys wouldn't put on 1 oz after the official weigh in. But it don't work that way homey. This is why a win would be questioned at WW. Cuz Mr boat buyer has been there several times and even once over that. Cats could say Pac was too small, even tho both would go up after the official weigh in. If it was at 140, the outcome is simply about talent, not size. I've asked you and other Mr boat buyer buttboys why you don't want your guy to take fights that would get him respect, but never an answer that makes sense. Like I said man, do your thing homey, cuz it ain't worth you gettin mad about.

[QUISQUEYA]

Mr boat buyer is bigger than Pac. By a huge margin, no, but bigger Dios. In a perfect world, these guys wouldn't put on 1 oz after the official weigh in. But it don't work that way homey. This is why a win would be questioned at WW. Cuz Mr boat buyer has been there several times and even once over that. Cats could say Pac was too small, even tho both would go up after the official weigh in. If it was at 140, the outcome is simply about talent, not size. I've asked you and other Mr boat buyer buttboys why you don't want your guy to take fights that would get him respect, but never an answer that makes sense. Like I said man, do your thing homey, cuz it ain't worth you gettin mad about.

I appreciate you not referring to me as either Dios or a floyd buttboy. Cause I am neither.

any-hoo, there is NO fight that would get pbf respect.

Shane - too old
Cotto- ruined by marg
Williams - weight drained.. Beaten by quintana.
Wlad - too Ukrainian

40% of the people on this site picked Hatton to beat Floyd. Afterwards, hatton became handpicked. A year later, a victory over hatton launches pac to the top of atg lists.

Weight is unimportant when pac beats dlh at 147. but weight is absolutely crucial when JMM fights floyd at a new weight.

If you don't recognize a double stard, then you have become the flag-bearer for the Floyd Enviers.

[shadeyfizzle]

Because there is no point when neither are going to weight that much by fight-time.

Freddie's point with having Floyd lower his weight was this: We want to make him work; we want to take something out of him for fight-time.

Let’s be real: It's about the FIGHT inside the RING and not the SCALES. Fight a Healthy fighter. In order to have a better chance of doing that, just show up for the fight. They should just skip the weigh-in. If they want, put a "cap" for a fight-time weight of 150. 150 isn't so bad given Hatton was over that.

NO EXCUSES would be to do the above. Excuses will come out if Floyd shows up Flat because his body wasn't used to draining weight and then rehydrating. I posted that video of Floyd that discussed this.

Floyd's not young anymore and every time you try to take a risk with your body (as it is aging into the 30's), the bigger the chance is to screw it up.

This is why I don't want to see Cotto coming down in weight or Shane.

Pac would be better served as well since he wouldn't have to drain and rehydrate as well. The advantage however is that he is used to the process so he is more likely to be fine. Freddie knows this.


Pac will have other advantages anyway. Be sure that Freddie will insist on Floyd wearing "Reyes" gloves so that his hands aren't protecting like the "Winning" or even "Grant" gloves he likes to wear.

Works both ways man. If one person can make weight comfortably while his opponent has to pack on muscle is that not taking somethin out of them by fight time? Who's to say if the fight was at 147 that Floyd wont show up 155 by fight night?? Remember Manny weighed in at 143 for his fight at welterweight and 138 for his fight at junior welter. Well below the limit for both weights.

[Smash]

I persume the weight is important for the jmm floyd fight as if the fight were officially at 147 then floyd is already there. Being a bit lower means floyd has to adjust and take off a bit of weight to make the weigh in. Jmm is more or less coming up 2 divisions and making floyd make even a small adjustment could be important in the end, we will see

At the end of the day you need to make 140 on the scales to be a jrWW, if you cant or wont then your a WW for that fight. Pac is now a jrWW but he can fight at WW, just like floyd is a WW who can fight at jrMW if he wants to. So i guess pac could be classed as a small WW now, just like floyd is a small WW, just a bit bigger than pac. Cotto is lets say a medium WW and a bit bigger than floyd. And Williams is ... well we dont need to go there

[BmoreBrawler]

mang,

My point is that if both fighters are the same size, why bother going through the 'make weight' charade? That is what i REALLY need someone to explain to me.

OK, I understand forcing Oscar to 147. Because if Manny fought Oscar at 154, then DLH would have been 164-166 on fight night.

But you KNOW - one thousand percent - that Floyd will be 148-ish on fight night. So will manny. There will be no surprises there. What is the purpose of artificially going to 140, just to have the guys come back to 147-148? THAT is where the weight classes are farcical.

Why would a win over Pac ever be "questioned"... or vice versa?

Ask the fighters. There's a reason why it is such a huge consideration.

[Benny Leonard]

Mr boat buyer is bigger than Pac. By a huge margin, no, but bigger Dios. In a perfect world, these guys wouldn't put on 1 oz after the official weigh in. But it don't work that way homey. This is why a win would be questioned at WW. Cuz Mr boat buyer has been there several times and even once over that. Cats could say Pac was too small, even tho both would go up after the official weigh in. If it was at 140, the outcome is simply about talent, not size. I've asked you and other Mr boat buyer buttboys why you don't want your guy to take fights that would get him respect, but never an answer that makes sense. Like I said man, do your thing homey, cuz it ain't worth you gettin mad about.

They'll say Pac was to small not matter what. They'll bring up that Pac was 106 pounds at 12 years old was a blown up 6 pounder since that was what he weighed as a baby.
It's better to show up healthy and win then show up drained and lose because at the end of the day, they'll continue to say Pac was a blown-up 106 pounder. It's better to get the Win.

Floyd should actually bring up the Weigh-In weight and have a Chart of how it all works. He can put on the glasses and put on his professor gear {shirt, tie, and sweater} and explain how it all works.

When they show the "Fight-Time" weights before the actual fight is about to start, Boxing is giving you a hint of what is going on. That's why they do it in the first place. They know it is bs. When you have Clottey coming in at 170 for a 147 pound fight, there is something wrong with the system. There is a loophole in it. This is actually what makes "Catch-weights" legal to me because in the end, it's all bs until the system is corrected. Divison and Catchweights = bs.

The Heavyweight Division is the only division that is honest about it all: This is how much we weigh, let's fight.

[Benny Leonard]

Works both ways man. If one person can make weight comfortably while his opponent has to pack on muscle is that not taking somethin out of them by fight time? Who's to say if the fight was at 147 that Floyd wont show up 155 by fight night?? Remember Manny weighed in at 143 for his fight at welterweight and 138 for his fight at junior welter. Well below the limit for both weights.

Floyd didn't pack on muscle for Oscar. You have the option to put on whatever you want. He just showed up at his usual fight-time weight even though Oscar was said to be 164+. Floyd didn't care to be a JrMW/154; he didn't need it.

JMM is about 140+ for fight-time weight. Say 141 is his fight-time weight and Floyd's is 149. That's 8 pounds. Floyd fought Castillo who out-weighed him. Castillo was a WW by fight-time and that was down in the lower weight divisions.


And True; what Floyd weighed back then for fight-time weight might not be his fight-time weight now. However, if that interview with Sr. was true, Floyd is walking around at 150, so the chances are high that he will not be over 150.