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So I just got done reading that Billy G. cigarette talk about Sr. is "Old School." Billy mentioned that when Ricky was with him, he had the training/nutritionist guru Kerry Kayes. So Ricky was "new school" with that regard. Although I would say his technique was 19th century {kidding}; I think Ricky was pretty good prior to Tszyu with the way he fought. The Tszyu fight had him adapt/change for that specific fight which seem to throw him off.
Anyway: Hatton had Kerry Kayes
Manny has ??? damn...what's his name. Simple names would be easier to remember. Anyway, I've read a bit on Manny's guy and he seems like he is on the "expert" level on everything and Manny's results can't be questioned; the guy is World Class. When I get home I'll post his name up with some articles unless somebody does it for me. But the Man has enabled Manny to increase his muscle mass while keeping his speed, increasing power and strength and maintain a high level of endurance. * I don't have my stuff saved on the computer I'm on now; sorry.
I hope the guy writes a book though if he hasn't already; I'll have to check that out later. But maybe he won't because it's private teaching and it will cost you more to learn it. Rich bastards
Then you have Mackie Shilstone who has trained World Class Athletes in a variety of sports. He has trained Spinks, Bowe, Jones Jr. and Hopkins as far as boxing goes.
So that takes me to Floyd: Who does he have?
If Sr. is "Old School" does that make Roger and Floyd Jr. as well. Of course I'm not talking about teaching technique and understanding boxing but the way they condition their athletes. Is it "Old School" or "New School" methods with weight-training, nutrition, and Scientific backing for athletics with regards to Floyd? Does Floyd have his guy?
I say this because in my opinion, Floyd seemed better at 130-140, but once he got up to 147, there seem to be a bit of a decline physically. Maybe from an increased in weight to just below 150, maybe age, maybe injury; not sure. His weight increase wasn't that much since he started at 130 and he was probably over that by fight-time anyway. So how much weight he actually increased wasn't a whole lot when you look at and it wasn't a big jump so you would think his body would have adapted and kept him the same...I"m not so sure he was. Hell, you have guys at 130 and 135 showing up at 147 by fight-time yet for Floyd, he seemed better physically when he was below 147. If he is going "old School" with it and just eating more while training his way up, without someone studying him and fine tuning him like a Ferrari, planning and writing out everything he needs to do to be the best modern day athlete he can be...he is at a disadvantage, no?
I remember this with Hopkins a while back with regards to being asked about hiring a weight trainer and a nutritionist and he said there was no need because he knows his body and knows what to eat; it was common sense and trial and error. But he did use Mackie down the road when he moved up in weight so he even evolved his thinking.
So if I'm right and Floyd has declined some, how come he wasn't able to carry the weight and continue to stay at such a high level at say at 30?
Unless I'm wrong. I'm not saying a big decline. He can be a 90 out of 100 right now and to me that is a decline.
I wouldn't use Hopkins with Mackie as such a big deal because Hopkins was a LH when he started and he was on a Spartan Diet and lived a Spartan life in order to stay at 160 for so long even though it probably hurt him in the long run towards the end and his body was craving the move up. But credit for Mackie for keeping him healthy on his way up.
I remember a couple of interviews with supposed trainers I never heard of that questioned the training methods D'Amato trained Tyson with which were "Old School." One of the guys mentioned that Tyson should have been lifting weights and the way modern day athletes were using them. But was Tyson really at a disadvantage then? I kind of liked his physique back then compared to post-prison when he hooked up with a nutritionist and specialty trainer...although I'm not sure on the quality of the guys he used post-prison. And it did seem he at least was using Protein Shakes and Vitamins back then even with Rooney because I saw it in that training video on youtube...although that stuff has been around for a long time so maybe that is still "Old School." Bodybuilders were using supplements in the 50's.
Anyway...."Old School" at a big disadvantage and who does Floyd have as his guru and if he doesn't, should he hook up with one since he isn't getting any younger.
****I wrote this fast so I hope it makes sense. The bold question is the key. The rest his sugar.
Anyway: Hatton had Kerry Kayes
Manny has ??? damn...what's his name. Simple names would be easier to remember. Anyway, I've read a bit on Manny's guy and he seems like he is on the "expert" level on everything and Manny's results can't be questioned; the guy is World Class. When I get home I'll post his name up with some articles unless somebody does it for me. But the Man has enabled Manny to increase his muscle mass while keeping his speed, increasing power and strength and maintain a high level of endurance. * I don't have my stuff saved on the computer I'm on now; sorry.
I hope the guy writes a book though if he hasn't already; I'll have to check that out later. But maybe he won't because it's private teaching and it will cost you more to learn it. Rich bastards
Then you have Mackie Shilstone who has trained World Class Athletes in a variety of sports. He has trained Spinks, Bowe, Jones Jr. and Hopkins as far as boxing goes.
So that takes me to Floyd: Who does he have?
If Sr. is "Old School" does that make Roger and Floyd Jr. as well. Of course I'm not talking about teaching technique and understanding boxing but the way they condition their athletes. Is it "Old School" or "New School" methods with weight-training, nutrition, and Scientific backing for athletics with regards to Floyd? Does Floyd have his guy?
I say this because in my opinion, Floyd seemed better at 130-140, but once he got up to 147, there seem to be a bit of a decline physically. Maybe from an increased in weight to just below 150, maybe age, maybe injury; not sure. His weight increase wasn't that much since he started at 130 and he was probably over that by fight-time anyway. So how much weight he actually increased wasn't a whole lot when you look at and it wasn't a big jump so you would think his body would have adapted and kept him the same...I"m not so sure he was. Hell, you have guys at 130 and 135 showing up at 147 by fight-time yet for Floyd, he seemed better physically when he was below 147. If he is going "old School" with it and just eating more while training his way up, without someone studying him and fine tuning him like a Ferrari, planning and writing out everything he needs to do to be the best modern day athlete he can be...he is at a disadvantage, no?
I remember this with Hopkins a while back with regards to being asked about hiring a weight trainer and a nutritionist and he said there was no need because he knows his body and knows what to eat; it was common sense and trial and error. But he did use Mackie down the road when he moved up in weight so he even evolved his thinking.
So if I'm right and Floyd has declined some, how come he wasn't able to carry the weight and continue to stay at such a high level at say at 30?
Unless I'm wrong. I'm not saying a big decline. He can be a 90 out of 100 right now and to me that is a decline.
I wouldn't use Hopkins with Mackie as such a big deal because Hopkins was a LH when he started and he was on a Spartan Diet and lived a Spartan life in order to stay at 160 for so long even though it probably hurt him in the long run towards the end and his body was craving the move up. But credit for Mackie for keeping him healthy on his way up.
I remember a couple of interviews with supposed trainers I never heard of that questioned the training methods D'Amato trained Tyson with which were "Old School." One of the guys mentioned that Tyson should have been lifting weights and the way modern day athletes were using them. But was Tyson really at a disadvantage then? I kind of liked his physique back then compared to post-prison when he hooked up with a nutritionist and specialty trainer...although I'm not sure on the quality of the guys he used post-prison. And it did seem he at least was using Protein Shakes and Vitamins back then even with Rooney because I saw it in that training video on youtube...although that stuff has been around for a long time so maybe that is still "Old School." Bodybuilders were using supplements in the 50's.
Anyway...."Old School" at a big disadvantage and who does Floyd have as his guru and if he doesn't, should he hook up with one since he isn't getting any younger.
****I wrote this fast so I hope it makes sense. The bold question is the key. The rest his sugar.
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