Where does Haye rank p4p if he beats Wlad?

[The_Visitation]

How does a HW make p4p?

p4p is smaller dudes with the skill to beat bigger dudes. Not bigger dudes with the skill to beat smaller dudes. Thats what I call a misconception of the meaning "p4p".

Pound 4 Pound Meaning

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Yup. p4p is about comparing fighters in different weight divisions, who wouldn't normally meet. As such, a good HW can be a p4p fighter just like anybody else. It happens rarely simply because the smaller guys have more opportunities to prove it as they can move between divisions to varying degrees and take on more p4p candidates. Likewise even an established heavy who started lower would have a better chance; Holyfield would be a good example. And indeed Haye, if he scalps a K or two.

[ophqui]

How does a HW make p4p?

p4p is smaller dudes with the skill to beat bigger dudes. Not bigger dudes with the skill to beat smaller dudes. Thats what I call a misconception of the meaning "p4p".

Pound 4 Pound Meaning

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what?!? no its not! how do you enter a discussion about p4p and have an opinion when you dont even know the definition of the word. Pound for Pound. A pound is a unit of weight. That means if you had one pound of Manny Pacquiao and one pound of vitali klitschko, their weight wouldnt be an issue (because you have a pound of both), so which is the better fighter. Pound for pound means the best fighter REGARDLESS of weight. otherwise the list would be completely skewed towards smaller weight divisions, which its not (evidenced by how highly joe calzaghe ranked until his retirement, for example).

To answer the question in this thread, i already rate haye in my top 20 p4p, and wladimir about 11/12, with a decisive win, haye might bump up to around the 7 mark, it would be a huge victory for him

[Motofan]

He wouldnt be on my list for beating Wlad, but if he were to beat Vitali as well in the "contract" match then I would have to put him in the top 10.

[The_Visitation]

what?!? no its not! how do you enter a discussion about p4p and have an opinion when you dont even know the definition of the word.

He does know it. He described

p4p is smaller dudes with the skill to beat bigger dudes. Not bigger dudes with the skill to beat smaller dudes

as being a misconception, before linking to Wiki on the correct explanation.

[Davros?]

How does a HW make p4p?

p4p is smaller dudes with the skill to beat bigger dudes. Not bigger dudes with the skill to beat smaller dudes. Thats what I call a misconception of the meaning "p4p".

Pound 4 Pound Meaning

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Thats not true heavyweight have been in the ring p4p list, i found this on another site so thanks to that poster. The ring p4p rankings came in after 1988 i think.

1980

KO Magazine (January)
1 - Roberto Duran
2 - Sugar Ray Leonard
3 - Wilfredo Gomez
4 - Danny Lopez
5 - Pipino Cuevas
6 - Alexis Arguello
7 - Larry Holmes
8 - Wilfred Benitez
9 - Vito Antuofermo/Matt Saad Muhammad (tie)


1981

KO Magazine (January)
1 - Thomas Hearns
2 - Sugar Ray Leonard
3 - Marvin Hagler
4 - Larry Holmes
5 - Alexis Arguello
6 - Wilfredo Gomez
7 - Eddie Mustafa Muhammad
8 - Matt Saad Muhammmad
9 - Wilfred Benitez
10 - Roberto Duran/Aaron Pryor (tie)

1982

KO Magazine
1. Sugar Ray Leonard
2. Alexis Arguello
3. Marvin Hagler
4. Salvador Sanchez
5. Wilfred Benitez
6. Larry Holmes
7. Jeff Chandler
8. Eusebio Pedroza
9. Aaron Pryor
10. Thomas Hearns/Dwight Braxton* (tie)

*Dwight Muhammad Qawi

1983

KO Magazine
1. Marvin Hagler
2. Aaron Pryor
3. Larry Holmes
4. Michael Spinks
5. Jeff Chandler
6. Thomas Hearns
7. Alexis Arguello
8. Wilfredo Gomez
9. Hector Camacho
10. Eusebio Pedroza

1984

KO Magazine
1. Marvin Hagler
2. Aaron Pryor
3. Larry Holmes
4. Eusebio Pedroza
5. Hector Camacho
6. Ray Leonard
6. Jeff Chandler
8. Michael Spinks
9. Thomas Hearns
10. Donald Curry

1985

KO Magazine
1. Marvin Hagler
2. Hector Camacho
3. Michael Spinks
4. Donald Curry
5. Thomas Hearns
6. Barry McGuigan
7. Milton McCrory
8. Julio Cesar Chavez
8. Pinklon Thomas
10. Larry Holmes

1986

KO Magazine
1. Marvin Hagler
2. Mike Tyson
3. Donald Curry
4. Thomas Hearns
5. Edwin Rosario
6. Azumah Nelson
6. Michael Spinks
8. Evander Holyfield
9. Julio Cesar Chavez
10. Hector Camacho

[Davros?]

1988

KO Magazine
1. Mike Tyson
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. Evander Holyfield
4. Ray Leonard
5. Jeff Fenech
6. Michael Nunn
7. Azumah Nelson
8. Jung Koo Chang
9. Buddy McGirt
10. Sumbu Kalambay

1989
Ring
1. Mike Tyson
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. Pernell Whitaker
4. Michael Nunn
5. Antonio Esparragoza
6. Meldrick Taylor
7. Azumah Nelson
8. Raul Perez
9. Virgil Hill
10. Marlon Starling

1990

1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Pernell Whitaker
3. Michael Nunn
4. Antonio Esparragoza
5. Meldrick Taylor
6. Evander Holyfield
7. Mike Tyson
8. Raul Perez
9. Myung-Woo Yuh
10. Khaosai Galaxy

1992

1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Pernell Whitaker
3. Terry Norris
4. Orlando Canizales
5. James (Buddy) McGirt
6. Rid**** Bowe
7. Azumah Nelson
8. Sung-Kil Moon
9. Julian Jackson
10. James Toney

1993

1. Pernell Whitaker
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. James Toney
4. Michael Carbajal
5. Orlando Canizales
6. Evander Holyfield
7. Ricardo Lopez
8. Roy Jones Jr.
9. Kennedy McKinney
10. Yuri Arbachakov

1994

1. Pernell Whitaker
2. Roy Jones Jr.
3. Orlando Canizales
4. Ricardo Lopez
5. Humberto Gonzalez
6. Frankie Randall
7. Felix Trinidad
8. Gerald McClellan
9. Miguel Angel Gonzalez
10. Kevin Kelley

1995

1. Pernell Whitaker
2. Roy Jones Jr.
3. Ricardo Lopez
4. Oscar De La Hoya
5. Felix Trinidad
6. Yuri Arbachakov
7. Kostya Tszyu
8. Rid**** Bowe
9. Marco Antonio Barrera
10. Terry Norris

1996

1. Roy Jones Jr.
2. Oscar De La Hoya
3. Pernell Whitaker
4. Felix Trinidad
5. Ricardo Lopez
6. Junior Jones
7. Kostya Tszyu
8. Terry Norris
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Mark Johnson

[Breadbin]

Top 10 no doubt.

WTF is Dawson doing on that list?

[The Surgeon]

Haye is a huge underdog for this fight, and has only had one fight at heavyweight. Currently Wlad is not ranked in the top 10 p4p by any major listing, but he has a solid record, and had beaten most of the guys available to him. Where would Haye slot in p4p wise if he were to beat Wlad?

My current top 10 -

Pacquaio
Marquez
Mayweather
Hopkins
Mosely
Vasquez
Cotto
Williams
Donaire
Dawson

Personally, I think Haye would slot in around 7-9. And if he beats Vitali, 5-6 depending on other results. What do you think?

Around 5 for me Timba, mabey 6 or 7.

HW shouldnt be discrimenated against in the p4p rankings, Haye has came up from CW where he ruled as well it should be noted And he has all the attributes u look for in a good fighter, speed, power, accuracy, timeing and style, guy is an under rated body puncher too

It all hinges on beating Wlad tho

[adamt]

If HWs could make the p4p list, if he beats wlad then id say 3-5 ,

[Allucard]

Nowhere because there is no such thing as a HW p4p.

pretty much, sorry haye.