Froch vs. Green Discussed After Bute Fight Tumbles

[Dubious-Dutch]

All I'm saying is Froch was the first person to knock Taylor off his feet with a single shot. He must have considerable power and maybe greater than Greens.

I know what you're saying but that knockdown happened for several reasons. Taylor was already dazed and then Froch jumped in with a lead right hand with all of his weight behind it which sent him flying to the canvas. It had more to do with Taylors state of mind at the time than actual power.

[BetterCallSaul]

Sorry, still trying to understand. So if one is knocked to the ground and the fight is ruled a ko, it is not considered a knockdown? Is that what u are saying? I think it might be and I think you are in love with Carl Froch. So many mo's on this website.

So when Pavlik blasted jermain to the ground, was jermain levatating? You do understand that making statements like that make u lose all credibility right?

Yeah sure I lose credibility. God knows what I would do in real life without it.

Carl was the first person to knock Taylor down with a single shot. Pavlik beat him down with successive blows, as did Froch, but prior to the stoppage, Froch absolutely blasted Taylor off his feet. That's why I'm arguing that Froch has great power.

[Mugwump]

I don't think Froch has devastating power, but he certainly hits hard. The thing with Froch is he loads up with pretty much EVERY shot. Other fighters find it harder to exert maximum power consistently. So whilst they might hit harder, they only do so sporadically - which means the cumulative effect is less.

[Walt Liquor]

Yeah sure I lose credibility. God knows what I would do in real life without it.

Carl was the first person to knock Taylor down with a single shot. Pavlik beat him down with successive blows, as did Froch, but prior to the stoppage, Froch absolutely blasted Taylor off his feet. That's why I'm arguing that Froch has great power.

I agree that Froch has good power. Not great power. I think he takes Green to deep water and wins the fight. However, no need to discredit other boxers for no reason. Trying to say the pavlik ko wasn't legit to build up froch was weak.

I love that froch wants to fight anyone. Listening to green after the deleon fight right now and he said it would be best for him if Taylor won, but he thinks froch will win because he's too strong, has momentum, and better technique. Green knows this will be a very tough fight

[BetterCallSaul]

I agree that Froch has good power. Not great power. I think he takes Green to deep water and wins the fight. However, no need to discredit other boxers for no reason. Trying to say the pavlik ko wasn't legit to build up froch was weak.

I love that froch wants to fight anyone. Listening to green after the deleon fight right now and he said it would be best for him if Taylor won, but he thinks froch will win because he's too strong, has momentum, and better technique. Green knows this will be a very tough fight

I don't know where I discredited Pavlik's KO of Taylor. I give him more credit in that regard because he was the first to do it, but I was just arguing Froch showed real power in knocking Taylor clean off his feet with one of his first decent shots.

And I agree that it will be a very tough fight for both fighters.

[black.ink]

This fight would be great. Green would surely be the hardest hitter Froch has faced, but although not as skilled as Taylor, has enough tools to win.

I still favour Froch for this, and it will probably be in Nottingham, so the hometown support will be immense.

Both mens style makes for yet another exciting match-up featuring Froch. You have to feel sorry for Froch though, he produces two entertaining fights, but can never win Fight of the year due to the Mexicans. But hey, we got to love those Mexican's.

[-Antonio-]

Green has real home run power. He dropped Miranda with his left hook in the fight he lost. If Froch is as easy to hit as usual, it could be a short night for him.

[Mugwump]

I'm pretty sure Froch won't be as easy to hit in his next big fight. He's a smart kid and so is his trainer. They'll both know he can't afford to eat leather the way he did against Taylor - for the sake of his own health.

With Froch it's less a problem with his low guard (he DOES appear to roll with punches that initiate the attack) than his crazy hooks and uppercuts which leave him wide open to counters. If he cuts them out and holds his hands 10cm higher he probably takes 50% less punishment. Not a difficult adjustment to make.

[dstew]

I'm pretty sure Froch won't be as easy to hit in his next big fight. He's a smart kid and so is his trainer. They'll both know he can't afford to eat leather the way he did against Taylor - for the sake of his own health.

With Froch it's less a problem with his low guard (he DOES appear to roll with punches that initiate the attack) than his crazy hooks and uppercuts which leave him wide open to counters. If he cuts them out and holds his hands 10cm higher he probably takes 50% less punishment. Not a difficult adjustment to make.

I hear this argument a lot from Froch fans but the fact is it's been obvious for a LONG time to anyone with eyes that Froch is easy to hit and needs to improve upon his defense. Claiming that he and his trainer will make an adjustment because of the Taylor fight is a little presumptive. His trainer has HAD to have been working on this with him throughout his entire career (that's what trainers do), and Carl just isn't adjusting. I've got no reason to think this will change in his next outing.

[Mugwump]

I hear this argument a lot from Froch fans but the fact is it's been obvious for a LONG time to anyone with eyes that Froch is easy to hit and needs to improve upon his defense. Claiming that he and his trainer will make an adjustment because of the Taylor fight is a little presumptive. His trainer has HAD to have been working on this with him throughout his entire career (that's what trainers do), and Carl just isn't adjusting. I've got no reason to think this will change in his next outing.

I'm sure McCracken has been working on it. But at the end of the day it's up to Froch to follow instructions. Pre-Pascal he could get away with pretty much whatever he liked because of physical superiority. Against Pascal he got caught far too often. I think Froch thought it was a one-off and carried on regardless. But the same happened in his next fight. Only against Taylor he was actually knocked down - which for Froch must have been a big shock. Froch is no dummy and he'll draw the connection.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting him to suddenly turn into a Bernard Hopkins. He's too long in the tooth and suffers from obvious physical limitations (speed) for that to happen. But I do expect him to make adjustments. And let's be honest - he doesn't need to implement drastic ones in order to make himself a far more difficult fighter to hit than the one that was caught almost at will by Taylor.