The Manny/Floyd/Cotto Triangle (This Is An Intelligent Discussion No Huggers Allowed)

[FMJ The Best]

Williams is another Winky Wright.

Cotto hasn't ducked him time and time again.

But if he has he isn't the only one.

It's not like the fights been offered and he turned it down.

[truthhurts]

paul williams will bleach the whole trio

plus the 160 middlewieghts and his only match at light heavy would be Dawson

[larry x]

**** y'all are hard on Cotto!! lol

It wasnt so long ago that he was rated near the top slot

2 knees can really ruin a career

[The Surgeon]

Initial thought is Floyd beats Pac but ive not put much thought into it and i'll be honest im struggling to invision it!

Cotto beats Mayweather and i will bet my house on that!

Cotto should Knock Manny out too but i must admit i have visions of Pac being WAY too quick, stunning him bad and taking him out!

Common sense MUST prevail tho, Cotto is Bigger Stronger More skilled hits Harder and Will win

[The Surgeon]

Williams is another Winky Wright.

Cotto hasn't ducked him time and time again.

But if he has he isn't the only one.

It's not like the fights been offered and he turned it down.

Cotto might not like the Williams fight but if Paul stays at WW it WILL happen Cotto wouldnt be able to live with himself as champion without obliging him i gaurentee it

[Luis12]

I really like Cotto, he is a very good fighter and possibly has a awesome future ahead of him, but he has no business being mentioned with Floyd and Manny at this point..

that's what everyone were saying before judah and mosley fights.

i believe pac will be a more hard fight than mayweather for cotto

[S.G.]

I hear ya, all fair points. Floyd's definitly got the talent in his favour. I guess the comparison in my mind when you look at talent alone then I'd say Floyd & RJJ both should be top 5 ATG. I think when we look at ATG it's not just ok look at this guy's talent, but let's see it tested. This is where I don't think Floyd can really catch Manny. I think it's reasonably safe to say that there are more than enough people who have questioned Floyd's competition, or lack thereof (regardless of circumstance, ducking, whatever you want to call it) at the end of the day when question mark's are left it hurts you.

As far as the head to head comment, again totally hear where your coming from. RJJ beats B-HOP, but I think ATG wise BHOP gets the nod (and im a die hard RJJ fan). As a fighter Roy > Hopkins ever was. ATG wise the other intangibles trump the head to head imho.

Same type of deal here, because in all honesty I think floyd's is naturally bigger. Regardless of by how much, 2 fights ago Manny was at 135. Floyds been at 147 since 2005? I think that's enough to offset the head to head when looking at ATG.

cool. we're on the same page just opposite sides of the spectrum (meshing those two analogies really doesn't work but whatever )

i think our disagreement stems from us rating Floyd/Pacquiao's respective legacies on slightly different levels... i have them closer together than you evidentally.

your B-Hop/RJJ point is certainly true, but i just feel for this particular case the two fighters in question are so close, and the head-to-head is coming at such a point in their careers, that it does pretty much complete the jigsaw and ultimately decide the greater of the two. the nature of the victory will also be taken into account i'm sure though

[skullduggery]

i see similar properties in those past triangles:
Bernard-old but still skilled
Jermain- young, fast, suspect chin
Kelly- strong punch, uncordinated
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Shane- old but still skilled
Cotto- YOung, fast, suspect chin
MArgarito- strong punch, cant really box.... but can fight.
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i dont see any reason to believe that the marquez, pacquiao, mayweather will end the same way these others did because, quite frankly, this is the first with 3 top p4p fighters.....

[skullduggery]

Initial thought is Floyd beats Pac but ive not put much thought into it and i'll be honest im struggling to invision it!

Cotto beats Mayweather and i will bet my house on that!

Cotto should Knock Manny out too but i must admit i have visions of Pac being WAY too quick, stunning him bad and taking him out!

Common sense MUST prevail tho, Cotto is Bigger Stronger More skilled hits Harder and Will win

plz..... tell me how you think cotto will beat mayweather.... in detail.... do you see something i dont?

[Naldo]

As it stands Manny is the higher ATG, i don't think there's much debate about that. Careers are not done, but right now Manny is definitly higher than Floyd.

You are delusional to think Manny is higher than Floyd for beating over the hill fighters. His only prime opponent was Ricky Hatton and he's a C level club fighter.