Mayweather vs. Pacquiao Possible, Without Haymon

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It's a shame, Shane deserves a big payday and Father Time is about to catch up to him. He's a great boxer with the only flaw is not having enough of a big fan base as a bargaining chip, which is like a be all, end all for all mega fights...

But the thing with Shane Mosley is that he NEVER had the
proper business representation and he NEVER made that
many good business decisions. He down played and avoided
a fight with Mayweather back in the day, then demanded it
later on and dropped the ball by not fighting right after to
enhance his win off then the most popular and big star
Antonio Margarito but waited for a fight with two guys
that NEVER even mentioned him as an option but in
Mosley's eyes he thought he was? How ****** is that?
With that said though, Freddie Roach should live in Las
Vegas because he's the biggest handicapper in the business.
Looks like Arum wants to keep Floyd away from Pacquiao.
Not saying Pac is scared but Roach and Arum are becoming
better with protecting Pacquiao than Kevin Costner
with Whitney Houston.

[deanrw]

But the thing with Shane Mosley is that he NEVER had the
proper business representation and he NEVER made that
many good business decisions. He down played and avoided
a fight with Mayweather back in the day, then demanded it
later on and dropped the ball by not fighting right after to
enhance his win off then the most popular and big star
Antonio Margarito but waited for a fight with two guys
that NEVER even mentioned him as an option but in
Mosley's eyes he thought he was? How ****** is that?
With that said though, Freddie Roach should live in Las
Vegas because he's the biggest handicapper in the business.
Looks like Arum wants to keep Floyd away from Pacquiao.
Not saying Pac is scared but Roach and Arum are becoming
better with protecting Pacquiao than Kevin Costner
with Whitney Houston.

The **** you are spewing just does not wash. You have the audacity to claim they are protecting Manny, a bloated up 130lb fighter from Floyd. Floyd is a guy chasing after two Jr. Lightweights.

Floyd is a coward plain and simple for not fighting the Mosley's or Cotto's out there. Within your fogged up blinders, you can only see what you want to see instead of the truth. Try taking a step back and think about what you are talking about sometime.

[PeterinMI]

let me get this straight.......you do Oscar at 147 but wont consider Cotto or Shane at 147......they can only get at Pac at 143 or 144 ......where I'm from thats called a "***** move"........and how the hell can Arum say he wont make the BIGGEST fight out there because he has personal feelings towards Al.......boxing is starting to become a joke.......mythical titles, catchweights and purse splits are more important than the BEST fightin' the BEST.......personally I would like to see Mosley fight Pac at 147

I am starting to hope that Cotto loses to Clottey for no other reason then to stick it to Arum. I would then perhaps hope the same loss for Pac to teach Arum a lesson. It isn't against the fighters but man they need to learn a lesson. Don't lay down with a snake. You will get bit.

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The **** you are spewing just does not wash. You have the audacity to claim they are protecting Manny, a bloated up 130lb fighter from Floyd. Floyd is a guy chasing after two Jr. Lightweights.

Floyd is a coward plain and simple for not fighting the Mosley's or Cotto's out there. Within your fogged up blinders, you can only see what you want to see instead of the truth. Try taking a step back and think about what you are talking about sometime.

OK mister mad guy, how come Roach wants the P4P#1 fighter
in the world to fight the best WW's at a catch weight but
allowed Pacquiao to fight De La Hoya at 147? How come
Roach is assuming that Shane can't make a catch weight
but will consider a Cotto fight? Cotto couldn't even make
140 comfortable because he puts on too much weight and
losing it took a toll on him? How come Arum has so many
excuses about Floyd by saying he won't make perhaps the
biggest fight in history because he has drama with someone
that is supposed to make it difficult to negotiate because
that's his job? Come on man, how are you going to say
I don't know what I'm talking about but all these are
documented? Go ahead with that.

[TheSurgeonMDMPH]

The **** you are spewing just does not wash. You have the audacity to claim they are protecting Manny, a bloated up 130lb fighter from Floyd. Floyd is a guy chasing after two Jr. Lightweights.

Floyd is a coward plain and simple for not fighting the Mosley's or Cotto's out there. Within your fogged up blinders, you can only see what you want to see instead of the truth. Try taking a step back and think about what you are talking about sometime.

Well they must sell those glasses all around the world because I see the same shyt pal! There is no best in the WW division so pbf would need to fight all the belt holders to kill the noise. But he can tackle the mythical p4p list and enhance his legacy while making tons of money! Pacq on the other hand has fought hand picked comp on his rise to the top. I say Campbell you will say nobody! If you say Cotto/SSM, I will say Campbell. So what you are saying dont wash pal. Think About It!

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The **** you are spewing just does not wash. You have the audacity to claim they are protecting Manny, a bloated up 130lb fighter from Floyd. Floyd is a guy chasing after two Jr. Lightweights.

Floyd is a coward plain and simple for not fighting the Mosley's or Cotto's out there. Within your fogged up blinders, you can only see what you want to see instead of the truth. Try taking a step back and think about what you are talking about sometime.

Last I checked they were the best in the world and last I checked
Bob Arum and Freddie Roach are considering making a fight with Miguel
Cotto and perhaps a super bigger Chavez Jr? No one seems to have
a problem with Cotto fighting Pac and saying he's picking on smaller
guys or Mosley but thinks Floyd is the bully? Last I checked people
said Floyd was P**sy and Cotto and Mosley hit harder right? Floyd
does it and he's picking on two small light weights but when Cotto/
Mosley do it then it will be a fair fight or warranted? But I thought
that Cotto/Mosley were the two fighters that Floyd was scared of
fighting? So if Floyd is scared of fighting them, then Cotto/Mosley
should be a bigger threat to Pac right? PLEASE.

[deanrw]

OK mister mad guy, how come Roach wants the P4P#1 fighter
in the world to fight the best WW's at a catch weight but
allowed Pacquiao to fight De La Hoya at 147? How come
Roach is assuming that Shane can't make a catch weight
but will consider a Cotto fight? Cotto couldn't even make
140 comfortable because he puts on too much weight and
losing it took a toll on him? How come Arum has so many
excuses about Floyd by saying he won't make perhaps the
biggest fight in history because he has drama with someone
that is supposed to make it difficult to negotiate because
that's his job? Come on man, how are you going to say
I don't know what I'm talking about but all these are
documented? Go ahead with that.

#1 Shane is way too big. Cotto is not too big that he cannot make 143 or so. Floyd on the other hand only and only seems to target smaller guys than himself. You can claim it has to do with money all you want, but Shane or Cotto would bring Floyd good money.

#2 Floyd loves to sit in no mans land. He is not a welterweight he claims. He claims it so he can avoid real welterweights. He is also not a Jr Welterweight either according to him, so he can target smaller guys moving up. Floyd is the only fighter who has his own weight class. He stays in that no-mans land to give himself an advantage

#3 Both Floyd and Manny are guilty of targeting ODLH. Simply put he was past it but also meant big money.

#4 This mad guy see's the hypocrisy that is going on. Floyd only wants to fight guys smaller than him (like a schoolyard bully). Roach's team is doing their own cheery picking, but at least they are not doing it behind a bunch of smoke and mirrors. They are handling a small fighter who is being targeted by a bunch of much larger fellows. They have to try to balance the madness out.

[gopi11]

OK mister mad guy, how come Roach wants the P4P#1 fighter
in the world to fight the best WW's at a catch weight but
allowed Pacquiao to fight De La Hoya at 147? How come
Roach is assuming that Shane can't make a catch weight
but will consider a Cotto fight? Cotto couldn't even make
140 comfortable because he puts on too much weight and
losing it took a toll on him? How come Arum has so many
excuses about Floyd by saying he won't make perhaps the
biggest fight in history because he has drama with someone
that is supposed to make it difficult to negotiate because
that's his job? Come on man, how are you going to say
I don't know what I'm talking about but all these are
documented? Go ahead with that.

So, basically you're saying that it is Manny's obligation to take on all-comers at their respective weights? **** then, if I were Manny, I would rather fight Cotto, Mosley or Floyd at 147, than to wait for Ivan to challenge him at 108.

The Oscar fight was a one time deal, Freddie said that before the fight, and he gave us his reasons as to why he wants Pacman to fight Oscar, that's not to understand isn't it?

[deanrw]

Last I checked they were the best in the world and last I checked
Bob Arum and Freddie Roach are considering making a fight with Miguel
Cotto and perhaps a super bigger Chavez Jr? No one seems to have
a problem with Cotto fighting Pac and saying he's picking on smaller
guys or Mosley but thinks Floyd is the bully? Last I checked people
said Floyd was P**sy and Cotto and Mosley hit harder right? Floyd
does it and he's picking on two small light weights but when Cotto/
Mosley do it then it will be a fair fight or warranted? But I thought
that Cotto/Mosley were the two fighters that Floyd was scared of
fighting? So if Floyd is scared of fighting them, then Cotto/Mosley
should be a bigger threat to Pac right? PLEASE.

I also have nothing against you personally. I know you are a good poster. I just hate it when people in here say stuff like Manny is being protected, when in fact he is already extended father than they should have allowed any fighter to do.

Floyd I also have no real issue with, but I just wish people would see the game he plays and how it is detrimental to the sport itself. Floyd has not taken any real chances in years. Deep down you know this to be true. That is why I lost faith in Floyd 4 years ago. He started playing the damn game to much and stopped being a fighter.

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#1 Shane is way too big. Cotto is not too big that he cannot make 143 or so. Floyd on the other hand only and only seems to target smaller guys than himself. You can claim it has to do with money all you want, but Shane or Cotto would bring Floyd good money.

#2 Floyd loves to sit in no mans land. He is not a welterweight he claims. He claims it so he can avoid real welterweights. He is also not a Jr Welterweight either according to him, so he can target smaller guys moving up. Floyd is the only fighter who has his own weight class. He stays in that no-mans land to give himself an advantage

#3 Both Floyd and Manny are guilty of targeting ODLH. Simply put he was past it but also meant big money.

#4 This mad guy see's the hypocrisy that is going on. Floyd only wants to fight guys smaller than him (like a schoolyard bully). Roach's team is doing their own cheery picking, but at least they are not doing it behind a bunch of smoke and mirrors. They are handling a small fighter who is being targeted by a bunch of much larger fellows. They have to try to balance the madness out.

So your saying that it's OK for Roach to hand picked guys to
fight Manny but it's not OK to fight Manny who is becoming
the best off of fighting hand picked guys? Floyd and Manny
both have two fighters in common so it should be expected
that they fight to settle it out. De La Hoya was/is bigger
than Shane & Pac went all the way up to 147 to fight him?
Fact of the matter is that Roach is not trying to let Pac
fight Mosley because of the risk and thinks Manny has a
chance against Cotto (at a catch weight). How do we
really know how good Manny is if he is not beating WW's
at their best? Floyd fought a lot of bigger guys, even
went up to 154 for Oscar and that's like a 2 1/2 height
difference and 16 pound weight advantage for Oscar.
Manny is getting spoon fed advantages, like it or not.
Atleast Floyd fought guys at 147 may not be Cotto/Mosley
but he put it down there. If Floyd is willing to go down
to a catch weight to fight the P4P best fighter in the world
then what's the problem? Wouldn't Pacquiao have the edge?