Watch the first four rounds of Mayweather vs Judah

[dsyef]

Judah was getting the better of Floyd and even had him on his heals. Then Zab fell apart mentally and commenced to lose the fight. If Floyd comes out like that against Manny it could be a short night for Floyd too.

Judah just wasn't in good enough shape in this fight. He proved he was faster than Mayweather, but he wasn't ready for this fight. He just camed from a lost to Baldomir and didn't get enough reast. So if Judah was fast imagine Pacquiao.
As long as Pacquiao fights smart he should win, but Pacquiao must avoid Mayweather clinching and then grabbing him to then punch him. If the ref keeps the fight from a distance like they've did in the Hatton vs Pac fight Pac can be victorious.

[shadeyfizzle]

Its not news to me but I have always that thought that was so overrated. I mean, where do they really get it from? Just because you start well and lose, doesnt mean that your mentaly weak. All his losses except for 1 came at WW and everyone knows that he has no business being at WW. What, because he starts fast against Floyd, Cotto, and Clottey, then loses means that he's mentaly weak? Floyd is just the best guy in the game at making adjustments and the other 2 were just far too big and strong for him. He can fight well against them early because he can use his speed and the Southpaw style will take some time to adjust but after that those big guys are going to flat out wear him down. It could easily be done to Pac. Im not saying that it will but if your a small quick Southpaw fighting a big man then you will most likely start fast and then the big man will eventually wear you down.

Dont get me wrong, Zab is mentaly weak and he's just not a great fundemental fighter but his skills cant be underestimated. You cant say that Zab did this for 4 rounds so Pac can. You cant say that because Zab is the truth skill wise. If it was about that then he would be as good as anyone. Dont act like Pac is much better skill wise then Zab because he's not, so just because Zab can do something for 4 rounds doesnt mean that Pac can. Zab is not a scrub that everyone is making him out to be. If he fights guys his own size then he's going to beat nearly all of them and I wouldnt be shocked if he even beat Pac

Zab is the truth skillwise. I have always believed and defend to this day that Zab Judah is better skillwise than Floyd Mayweather jr. The early rounds of their fight are a good basis of argument for it. The problem with Judah is that he had become so accustomed to being so much better than his competition that once he stepped up his competition, he formed a habit of folding under pressure. If he did not have a commanding lead on the scorecards, if he was no dominating physically, if the fight was remotely competitive by the mid- rounds...he would lose his composre and give in to his frustrations. Surely a sign of mental immaturity and poor sportsmanship that became the achilles heel of his career.

Pacquiao however is the polar opposite of Judah mentally. Pacquiao imposes his will even if he is outclassed skillwise, never loses composure, doesnt get demoralized, and will go full steam ahead for 12rounds, and ask for more if he could.

So while I agree that just because Judah was able to do things for 4 rds doesnt mean Pacquiao can and will......I believe Pacquiao will make his presence felt in a way Judah was not able to.

[DE100]

What mentally went wrong with Zab was Mayweather adjusted, switched to a high guard and started coming forward which smothered Zab's outside shots and quickness.

[El Chicano]

What mentally went wrong with Zab was Mayweather adjusted, switched to a high guard and started coming forward which smothered Zab's outside shots and quickness.

Man, something is always mentally going wrong with Zab. Zab was getting in that ass in those first four rounds. If he had any kind of mental stability he could have adapted as well. Manny won't have those problems against Floyd.

[MANGLER]

Mr boat buyer said he anticipated the typical Zab meltdown. He won't fight the same way against Pac. Pac brings the heat all the way, and Mr boat buyer will be on his game.

[TheSurgeonMDMPH]

I think we will get a similar fight! pacq cant adjust. he will come out strong forced to fight by pbf. then the singles that pbf will pile up in between his flurries will sink in. after rd 6, pbf will pick up the pace and stop pacq late! Ill join you guys in stating how great pacq is! But if you are a pbf hater then you are defeating your cause. pacq is another hand picked opponent that is a product of the hype train. pbf's only defeat will come via PW! hopefully that will turn into a historical trilogy. Til then, hype jobs like pacq, cotto, etc. will be on the plate.

[IMDAZED]

Why do you think you saw those pics of Zab and Floyd together? They ain't going clubbing, they're sparring each other. Floyd isn't ******.

[COACH WEBB]

Mr boat buyer said he anticipated the typical Zab meltdown. He won't fight the same way against Pac. Pac brings the heat all the way, and Mr boat buyer will be on his game.

I agree 100 with you Mang. No doubt I like Manny. He is a GREAT fighter. But the thing that I see that may be a problem for him is Mayweather's PURE BOXING ability. Which MAINLY (to me at least) entails his defense. Mayweather has the innate ability slip, roll, and catch punches. This will be the first fighter that Manny will face with SUPERB defensive skills. Once May makes his opponents miss, he capitalizes and once he gets into his rhythm, it could be a LONG night for whoever he is fighting.

How will Manny react to Floyd's superior defensive skills? Will he stay patient? Or will he adjust somehow? Will he force the fight from the first bell? How tight will Manny's defense be on fight night? Will he keep the fight in the middle of the ring or will he pressure Floyd? These are real questions that I have.

[pbftxrs316]

man please. this thread is ******. zab lost round 3 and the only claim to fame he has on floyd is that he landed a shot that knocked floyd off balance in round 2. coz that shot in round 4 did nothing to floyd, and all of those flurries afterwards didn't even land. floyd landed a counter shot to the body in round 4 that changed the complexion of that fight and it was a perfect and crisp shot. and it slowed zab down. zab really didn't do anything to hurt floyd. he was just a little troublesome for floyd in the 1st 4 rounds, but he lost round 3.

**** that mental breakdown ****. floyd broke him down mentally because he adjusted to him, point/blank/period. it is what it is. zab is not as skilled as floyd overall. he hits harder imo, may have the faster handspeed(and if he does--not by much), but he doesn't have better upperbody speed, footwork, defense, counterpunching, body punching workrate, finesse(which is something you must have to even have a shot at beating floyd), mental capacity, ring generalship, poise and patience(2 things that go hand and hand). **** the politics of this forum, meaning the blind hatred for the best fighter of his era(mr. boat buyer), floyd broke zab down. took him out of his game, had him hurt, and zab resorted to low a low blow and punch behind the head.

with this being said, manny has less skills than zab in the boxing category--but has a better workrate, faster flurries, bouncier footwork, much better stamina, and imo a sharper mind when it comes to putting it all together, but is still going to find himself hurt badly when facing floyd. because manny needs to realize something about floyd mayweather jr. he is so comfortable in that ring, even when he's losing rounds. he knows how to use that ring better than anyone in boxing. he can fight off the ropes(offensively/defensively). he can fight in the pocket(offensively/defensively). we all know how good he counters with the right hand, and how he lands punches through flurry punches, that fighters don't see, but his left hand counter is also a things of beauty, which manny will feel because floyd will land counter punches on manny's wide hooks--his mind is that sharp. his eyes are is secret weapon. i've watch floyd fight for so many years. his eyes have this force that goes together with how he sees and reacts to punches he throws, and punches he recieves. he knows how to find openings and can land punches even while looking like he is going to throw to another part of the body or head. in other words, the man can land punches to the body and head without even looking at them. another trait floyd has is a lead right hand to the body and a right hook to the body--both of which he showed against two southpaws--corley and mitchell--two better "boxers" than pacman. manny is not that ****** to throw so many punches at floyd--because he knows floyd can counter with the right, but i don't think he knows how good he counters with his left hand.

all in all, manny stands no chance at beating floyd. throw all of that puncher's chance and higher workrate nonsense out of the window. when you see manny pacman taking shots he's never taken before and not being able to land his shots while getting countered, all of you will realize he was in over his head. manny has an uncanny style with throwing punches from awkward angles which is something floyd will have to be ready for and i'm sure he will. floyd defends well against conservative and orthodox punches. he has been hit with awkward and looping punches, so maybe manny should fight this way--awkward too keep floyd confused all night--but floyd makes adjustments--and will figure him out anyway. if manny shows that he can "box" as well as just punch--he's in for a very long and hurtful night. don't worry about manny's uppercut--it won't do him any good when floyd counters it.(countering uppercuts is very hard to do--damn near impossible--but floyd has done it and can do it again, trust me). floyd will catch manny's punches and counter them off of the block(a rare trait in boxing today--something old school greats did--floyd does it very well). floyd can block a punch with his shoulder and then snap a quick right hook or a crisp uppercut on his opponent, which he has done more than a few times--fighting off of the ropes or in the pocket--floyd has quick upperbody movement--manny has good bouncing footwork. floyd has much better balance and is more flexible when it comes to feinting to land punches...floyd hits harder than you think and manny will feel his power--floyd could possibly be the best fighter ever in the skills department--manny is in over his head fighting this man. confidence is something they both share when fighting. floyd doesn't think anybody can beat him. manny thinks the same thing.

it makes for a good fight, but a long night for manny. mark my mother****ing words, floyd mayweather is going to dust manny pacquiao, and not because manny isn't great(he damn sure is great)--but, because floyd is on a level of his own...trust me.

[P4PKING_2008 :)]

Judah was getting the better of Floyd and even had him on his heals.

gREAT POST.