Top 10 Heavyweights after Saturday Fights

[Nautilus]

Klitschko's greatest claims to fame are two fights he technically lost. .

The public does not care about technical losses or wins.

In substance, Ruiz did not win over Golota and Vitali did not loose against Lewis or Byrd.

That's why Vitali is considered the number 1 by the Ring Magazine.

The best boxing journalists have different criteria than you have. They base their judgement on substance and not on technicalities.

[neils7147933]

Lewis very well may have knocked Vitali out - I can buy the Byrd argument a lot better. But the Lewis fight only made it 6 rounds, McCline was well ahead of Byrd after 6 rounds, too.

[Nautilus]

Lewis very well may have knocked Vitali out - I can buy the Byrd argument a lot better. But the Lewis fight only made it 6 rounds, McCline was well ahead of Byrd after 6 rounds, too.

I agree that Lewis vs Vitali could have gone either way. I think Vitali would have KO Lewis, but I understand why people think that Lweis could have KO Vitali. In any case, the fight would not have gone the distance.

In the Byrd fight, Vitaly was winning after 9 rounds with scores 88-83, 88-83, 89-82, a 6 point lead! Even if Byrd had won rounds 10, 11, 12, the scores would have been 88-86, 88-86, 89-85 for Vitali, a 3 point lead! No comparison to McCline should be made here. Vitali and McCline are boxers from different universes!

Vitali had actually outboxed both Byrd and Lewis! Vitali's style looks strange but I think it has to do with him being 5 times world champion in kickboxing. His skill level is tremendous and he has never been outboxed.

[neils7147933]

If Vitali beats a top contender, I'll think about agreeing with the masses. Heck, if he just keeps winning and Byrd or Ruiz fall off - but just beating Williams won't do it. If King is truly keeping the "big" fights from him, he still has access to James Toney, Joe Mesi (if he can get medical clearance), Mike Tyson, Dominick Guinn, Golota? (BoxRec doesn't list Golota as a "king" fighter - are they still tied?) - or if he beats Audley Harrison or someone else "rising" convincingly.

Right now, the Vitali hype could either be prophetic - or just hype. But it's not yet justified.

[Nautilus]

If Vitali beats a top contender, I'll think about agreeing with the masses. Heck, if he just keeps winning and Byrd or Ruiz fall off - but just beating Williams won't do it. If King is truly keeping the "big" fights from him, he still has access to James Toney, Joe Mesi (if he can get medical clearance), Mike Tyson, Dominick Guinn, Golota? (BoxRec doesn't list Golota as a "king" fighter - are they still tied?) - or if he beats Audley Harrison or someone else "rising" convincingly.

Right now, the Vitali hype could either be prophetic - or just hype. But it's not yet justified.

So what's your point?

[Neuraxis]

Appreciate it. It would be a boring board if everyone just typed in tribute posts to the Klitschkos, Roy Jones, and Trinidad...

As opposed to hyping John Ruiz?

[neils7147933]

As opposed to hyping John Ruiz?

I haven't started a single John Ruiz thread. The only thread I've done with Ruiz in the title is the one about the fight result.

Hell, next Monday we'll be talking about Winky Wright and the week after, we'll be talking about Morales.

Roy, Oscar, and the Klitschkos get year round love threads.

[Neuraxis]

I like your "After" list, except for Wlad who I think should be around 9 or 10 on the list, and after (IF) Moorer KO's Jirov, he may make my top 10 in the 10 spot....

Thanks, but after seeing how much better TOS's chin was than we all thought, I decided to rank him that high. Of the people who I ranked below him, I really only see Johnson as having a chance of beating him.

[Neuraxis]

I haven't started a single John Ruiz thread. The only thread I've done with Ruiz in the title is the one about the fight result.

Hell, next Monday we'll be talking about Winky Wright and the week after, we'll be talking about Morales.

Roy, Oscar, and the Klitschkos get year round love threads.

Well you make like Ruiz more than is humanly natural, but I can't fault you for being able to control it and not start thread after thread about him. Props to you.

[guru]

1 - VK
2 - Byrd
3 - Ruiz
4 - Toney
5 - sanders
6 - rahman
7 - brewster
8 - golota
9 - wlad
10 - barrett