Mayweather vs. Pavlik or JMM vs. Mayweather. Equally (un)fair?

[deanrw]

Straight talk as usual Dean!

I say it like I see it. JMM is a natural 130lb'er right now even though he has fought twice at 135. He moved up to 135 to chase Manny and a few good fights. He now has to jump up two more weight divisions for a crack at Floyd. He made the choice to do so, but it still makes Floyd look awful for even considering JMM as a legitimate fair opponent.

Floyd cannot look up or straight ahead I guess, he can only look down. He must have a severe neck injury.

[BattlingNelson]

I say it like I see it. JMM is a natural 130lb'er right now even though he has fought twice at 135. He moved up to 135 to chase Manny and a few good fights. He now has to jump up two more weight divisions for a crack at Floyd. He made the choice to do so, but it still makes Floyd look awful for even considering JMM as a legitimate fair opponent.

Floyd cannot look up or straight ahead I guess, he can only look down. He must have a severe neck injury.

I hate the fact that this fight is being sold as a genuine p4p fight and that some are believing that hype.

[deanrw]

I hate the fact that this fight is being sold as a genuine p4p fight and that some are believing that hype.

Fans of the Sport see it for what it is, a circus act.

Fanboys of course will see the fight in a way that favors them and their delusional agenda. They will refuse to look at the straight facts. They will refuse to hear rebuttal, and they will refuse to seek and use common sense.

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So now Floyd Mayweather fights JMM at 144-145 lbs thereby forcing him to move up 2 full weightclasses.

Wouldn't it be the same as Mayweather fighting Pavlik at 158?

Facts:

Mayweather has fought 5 fights at or above welterweight.

JMM has fought only twice as a lightweight.

Which matchup seems most fair to you or would you consider those fights equally (un)fair?

Might seem fair on paper but surely Pavlik is not ready for that step. And mind you I am a VERY BIG fan of Pavliks.

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Hmm... Poor 35 year old JMM has been a LW for less than a year and now has to jump 2 weightdivisions. PBF on the other hand is a fullgrown WW having fought at or above the weight for the past 3½ years.

JMM being 35 is a separate issue only partially balanced by the question mark on Mayweather being 32 and what's most important inactive.

Mayweather is NOT a full grown WW. Full grown welters weigh about 160.

Height is not weight, but if you talk about two fighters are about the same height, they weigh about the same on fight night, and spent most of their careers one division apart, it is clear that it has nothing to do with Mayweather Pavlik.

Thanks but I felt a need to illustrate the monumental task JMM is facing.

The comparison between JMM moving up 2 weightclasses and PBF doing the same doesn't seem too farfetched to me espacially when you consider that boxing is divided in WEIGHT divisions and not height or reach divisions. Otherwise the Leonard-Hearns fight would have been ******ed.

It is extremely far fetched because

Marquez who moved up 2 weight classes has to move up to face Mayweather who already moved up 3 weight classes

Mayweather who moved up 3 weight classes has to move up to face Pavlik on the other hand is a natural big middleweight who never weighed anywhere close to jr. middle after turning 19.

Moreover we are talking about JMM moving up 8 pounds (two weigh classes would be 12 pounds). and Mayweather moving up 11 pounds (two weight classes would be 13 pounds why the double standard?

Translate the same treatment to Mayweather-Pavlik and you have that the fight should be at a catchweight of 155-156, now that starts to sound a bit different if Kelly has to make almost the jr. middle limit.

Indeed it is. Thank god Vitali didn't choose Hopkins (a p4p-pounder as well) as his comeback-opponent instead of Peter. That's two divisions as well but there you can talk about a sizedifference.

yeah that's like a 60 pounds difference on fight night the fight at hand the difference will be about 5 pounds.

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Hmm... Poor 35 year old JMM has been a LW for less than a year and now has to jump 2 weightdivisions. PBF on the other hand is a fullgrown WW having fought at or above the weight for the past 3½ years.




Thanks but I felt a need to illustrate the monumental task JMM is facing.

The comparison between JMM moving up 2 weightclasses and PBF doing the same doesn't seem too farfetched to me espacially when you consider that boxing is divided in WEIGHT divisions and not height or reach divisions. Otherwise the Leonard-Hearns fight would have been ******ed.




Indeed it is. Thank god Vitali didn't choose Hopkins (a p4p-pounder as well) as his comeback-opponent instead of Peter. That's two divisions as well but there you can talk about a sizedifference.

ok we get it, you hate floyd. now stop bumping your thread. you are only hurting your own rep on this site.

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Floyd just wants be be able to whoop the dude who beat Pac twice.

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yeah because this is the first time a fighter moved up two weight class

[BattlingNelson]

JMM being 35 is a separate issue only partially balanced by the question mark on Mayweather being 32 and what's most important inactive.

Mayweather is NOT a full grown WW. Full grown welters weigh about 160.

Height is not weight, but if you talk about two fighters are about the same height, they weigh about the same on fight night, and spent most of their careers one division apart, it is clear that it has nothing to do with Mayweather Pavlik.



It is extremely far fetched because

Marquez who moved up 2 weight classes has to move up to face Mayweather who already moved up 3 weight classes

Mayweather who moved up 3 weight classes has to move up to face Pavlik on the other hand is a natural big middleweight who never weighed anywhere close to jr. middle after turning 19.

Moreover we are talking about JMM moving up 8 pounds (two weigh classes would be 12 pounds). and Mayweather moving up 11 pounds (two weight classes would be 13 pounds why the double standard?

Translate the same treatment to Mayweather-Pavlik and you have that the fight should be at a catchweight of 155-156, now that starts to sound a bit different if Kelly has to make almost the jr. middle limit.




yeah that's like a 60 pounds difference on fight night the fight at hand the difference will be about 5 pounds.

Please explain why Floyd is not a welter? If he's not a welter why then fight a lightweight at WW? Why not 140 or below? The concept of a small welter falls on deaf ears on me, unless you want to argue that we should have even more divisons.

I cannot see the point in how much a particular fighter has moved up. Usually fighters gain weight over the course of a career. JMM has just grown into (or really just moved up to) LW so surely it's a huge step to move up 2 divisions. And it's not 8 pounds. JMM weighed 134½ last time so it'll be 10 pounds. PBF was a 147 last time so he'll move up 11. Sounds pretty equal to me.

[Easy-E]

Please explain why Floyd is not a welter? If he's not a welter why then fight a lightweight at WW? Why not 140 or below? The concept of a small welter falls on deaf ears on me, unless you want to argue that we should have even more divisons.

I cannot see the point in how much a particular fighter has moved up. Usually fighters gain weight over the course of a career. JMM has just grown into (or really just moved up to) LW so surely it's a huge step to move up 2 divisions. And it's not 8 pounds. JMM weighed 134½ last time so it'll be 10 pounds. PBF was a 147 last time so he'll move up 11. Sounds pretty equal to me.

Floyd's natural fighting weight is about 135 based upon the weight he walks around at, which is about 151-152. He has had the majority of his fights at 130 and 135, and when he moved to 147, he rarley weight in at the limit, often just under at 145 and 144. Floyd at welterweight is a disadvantage to himself, as he has to put on more weight than normal and sacrifice his speed.