Pac VS JMM 2, Your honest unbiased opinion who do you think really won.

[boxasmash]

marquez by 1 point, who cares? if they fought now at 140 pac would destroy him.

[Obusv477]

how did you come to the conclusion that manny was weight drained?and if manny was weight drained at 130 and 126 why did he choose not to fight erik morales at 135 and instead made erik come back down in weight

When your face looks gaunt and you have listless body movements as he did in the MAB/JMM rematch weigh-in pics (actually watch the videos)...it is accurate to assume that he was weight-drained. For further proof, all you have to do is compare how Pac looked and moved leading up to the his next 3 fights after that at 135/147/140. Actually even at 135, Pac didnt look as spritely as he did against Hatton and DelaHoya...and its not like Diaz was faster than Hoya or Hatton...he just wasnt at his strongest weight.

Against Morales that was like what 3 years ago? Of course there's a transitional period when you're body is going through that process of growing. He could still make 130 comfortably back then. Buti n his very next fight against Solis, Pac was actually criticized for being a little lethargic in that fight...see the progression? Then against MAB, Pac looked mad irritated and grumpy at the weigh-in....same deal againts JMM. Then he went up in weight and now he's like busting out laughing and jokin around when he does his weigh-ins. So what does that say to you?

...Pac WAS weight-drained against JMM and he was damned lucky he was.

[letsgobrady]

When your face looks gaunt and you have listless body movements as he did in the MAB/JMM rematch weigh-in pics (actually watch the videos)...it is accurate to assume that he was weight-drained. For further proof, all you have to do is compare how Pac looked and moved leading up to the his next 3 fights after that at 135/147/140. Actually even at 135, Pac didnt look as spritely as he did against Hatton and DelaHoya...and its not like Diaz was faster than Hoya or Hatton...he just wasnt at his strongest weight.

Against Morales that was like what 3 years ago? Of course there's a transitional period when you're body is going through that process of growing. He could still make 130 comfortably back then. Buti n his very next fight against Solis, Pac was actually criticized for being a little lethargic in that fight...see the progression? Then against MAB, Pac looked mad irritated and grumpy at the weigh-in....same deal againts JMM. Then he went up in weight and now he's like busting out laughing and jokin around when he does his weigh-ins. So what does that say to you?

...Pac WAS weight-drained against JMM and he was damned lucky he was.

of those 3 fights pacquiao looked the worst in the hatton fight and as far as the david diaz fight he didn't have to do anything diaz is a slow come forward boxer so all manny had to do was stand there and outbox diaz and if anything manny looked the best against david diaz and if manny is somewhat drained at 135 why is it that they refuse to fight floyd,shane or cotto at 147?

[Left2theliver]

I think MArquez shoulda gotten that win

[Obusv477]

of those 3 fights pacquiao looked the worst in the hatton fight and as far as the david diaz fight he didn't have to do anything diaz is a slow come forward boxer so all manny had to do was stand there and outbox diaz and if anything manny looked the best against david diaz and if manny is somewhat drained at 135 why is it that they refuse to fight floyd,shane or cotto at 147?

The comparison is not how Pac looked within those 3 fights after Marquez....the difference within those 3 fights are negligible....in general you could say he looked healthy in all 3 of those. THERE IS a difference between how Pac looked leading up to the fights against MAB and JMM to how he looked now against the likes of Diaz/Hoya/Pac.

Pac did not look gaunt and lifeless at the Hatton weigh-in, even if you think he looked worse comparitively to the Hoya/Diaz fights... I guess its all subjective coz I happen to think he looked at his most healthy against Hatton.

But this observation isnt subjective---Pac did look gaunt and lifeless during the JMM and MAb weigh-ins when his cheeks were really sunken in and he was in-and-outta there in a quickness...probably to a buffet table behind the curtains.

[Pullcounter]

The comparison is not how Pac looked within those 3 fights after Marquez....the difference within those 3 fights are negligible....in general you could say he looked healthy in all 3 of those. THERE IS a difference between how Pac looked leading up to the fights against MAB and JMM to how he looked now against the likes of Diaz/Hoya/Pac.

Pac did not look gaunt and lifeless at the Hatton weigh-in, even if you think he looked worse comparitively to the Hoya/Diaz fights... I guess its all subjective coz I happen to think he looked at his most healthy against Hatton.

But this observation isnt subjective---Pac did look gaunt and lifeless during the JMM and MAb weigh-ins when his cheeks were really sunken in and he was in-and-outta there in a quickness...probably to a buffet table behind the curtains.

pac already beat jmm 2x, but I wouldn't mind seeing a rubbermatch

[The Hammer]

I scored it 114-113 for JMM.

[portuge puncher]

i had marquez winning by 1 point, but i had pac winning the 1st fight. there should be a 3rd.

[S A M U R A I]

On first viewing (live) I think I scored it to Marquez by a single point. On further analyzing the fight and watching more closely I had Pacquiao ahead. On the third viewing I had Pacquiao by KO in the 9th round.

Really... damn close fights. I agree with boxasmash, though: at 140 it might be a completely different story. Reason why I think this is because I'm not convinced Marquez will be as effective anywhere north of 135, plus Hatton looked like he'd been hit by a prime Tyson on Saturday. Marquez may well prove me wrong, but let's see how he does against Mayflower.

Love to see a 3rd fight. These guys are currently the best fighters on the planet, IMO.



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[Maestro USA]

I scored it 114-113 for JMM.

Nice to some someone who knows how to score a fight!