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  • starjammer
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    Taylor wanted Pat Burns for Pavlik fight

    If Jermain Taylor wants to fight again as a headliner, he will have to redefine himself.

    Saturday night's loss to Carl Froch by TKO was Taylor's third loss in his past four fights.

    Since July 16, 2005, when Taylor won the middleweight championship of the world, until April 25 of 2009, he's gone from the top of the boxing world with a course that would take him deep into the pugilism banks to being the guy who needs another chance.

    If, and it is a big if - especially for a 30-year-old who has earned around $15 million - he wants the seven-figure fights in the future, he has to redefine himself as a fighter.

    Not as a man. Not as the Razorbacks-loving ambassador for the state of Arkansas. Not the guy who loves four-wheelers and isn't comfortable as the center of attention. Not the guy with a quick smile and generous streak.

    Redefining himself inside the ring could be the greatest challenge Taylor has faced.

    Taylor was 25-0 as a professional after defending his title against Bernard Hopkins, and there was no controversy surrounding the second fight.

    It seemed his only limitation was his imagination.

    Then destiny played a trick.

    A rift between co-trainers Pat Burns and Ozell Nelson started the week before Taylor's title defense against Hopkins.

    Nelson is the man who took Taylor in as an amateur fighter when he was 13 and kept him on the straight and narrow. It was a ride that took Taylor to the Olympic bronze medal and launched his professional career.

    Burns is the man who handcrafted Taylor into an unbeatable pro. The man who studied opponents and prepared his boxer for them. The man who ran training camp like training camps are supposed to be run, a lock down.

    Burns was terminated, and Nelson, feeling he wasn't ready to be the lead trainer, hired Manny Steward, which turned out to be a huge mistake.

    Not once during his four fights under Steward's tutelage was Taylor in shape to go 12 rounds, and when he got knocked out by Kelly Pavlik, Steward was finally old news.

    Taylor called Burns after the first Pavlik fight, wanting him to come back. But Burns wanted complete control. He didn't want Nelson out, but he didn't want him involved in the daily workouts.

    At that point, Taylor was not prepared to make that move, and Nelson moved into the natural position as solo trainer.

    Taylor's fitness improved, but not enough, according to Showtime boxing expert Al Bernstein, who last week on Arkansas' statewide radio show said: "Jermain is more skilled and the better fighter. My concern is if it gets into the late rounds."

    As every boxing fan knows, Taylor dominated the first nine rounds and had the fight won even after getting knocked down with less than a minute to go in the final round.

    Only Froch kept coming, and Taylor couldn't get out of the way fast enough.

    With 14 seconds left, referee Michael Ortega stopped the fight.

    Ortega didn't know how much time was left; he stopped the fight to keep Taylor from being seriously injured.

    In the hours after the fight, the question grew: Why didn't Taylor take a knee? That would have given him a mandatory eight count, with the clock running.

    Regardless, after a 25-0 start, Taylor is 3-3-1 with the reputation of not being able to go 12 rounds.

    Hitting the wall in the first Pavlik fight resulted in a knockout of a bout where Taylor was the better fighter.

    Same thing Saturday.

    If the Pride of Arkansas wants to resume his career, he has to redefine himself.

    It might mean changes on Team Taylor, which is a small, close-knit group.

    If Jermain Taylor wants to get out of the MGM in Mashantucket, Conn., and back to the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, it is up to him.

    If he chooses to retire, he can do so with the knowledge it was mostly a great ride.

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    #2
    I never did like them getting rid of Pat Burns smh...

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    • Haglerwins
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      #3
      You know, I don't doubt Jermain put in 110% like he says he did in training for Froch, but my question is what did that 110% consist of? I'm sure whatever it was, it was solid training, I'm just thinking there isn't enough of it.

      Taylor doesn't look like he works 20+ 5 min rounds for one thing when you see him get exhausted like he does. I wouldn't be surprised at all if his routine stays within the parameters for a 10 rounder. That's my guess on why he gets tired if it ain't a physical problem anyway, he's not going beyond limits. Maybe I'm being too negative, but I think it's just very hard for me not to be skeptical of his workout regimen after reading about how horrible his first camp for Pavlik was.

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        I don't think he focuses on roadwork good. I posted his camp notes a week before the fight(gonna bump).

        According to his handlers he could spar 16 rounds...

        I think when he starts failing mentally everything else follows...

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          Originally posted by The_Executioner
          I don't think he focuses on roadwork good. I posted his camp notes a week before the fight(gonna bump).

          According to his handlers he could spar 16 rounds...

          I think when he starts failing mentally everything else follows...
          Skimmed over that thread. Looks like his actual sparring stayed at 10 rounds. I'm really not surprised. Jermain may not like such criticism, but I think he needs two more gears for his camps to fight at a high level. There's no question he has problems with D, not something just working out can fix, but he can nip this stamina stuff in the bud by going above and beyond.

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          • Steak
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            imo, Taylor should have stuck with Burns his whole career. they fit well together, and overall I thought he looked the most efficient in his pre-Hopkins days.

            Steward and Taylor were a terrible combo.

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            • MELLY-MEL...
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              taylor has a very similar problem as oldh did when he fights. Being far to TENSE, he is so tight through the fight it saps his energy, and forces him to gas earlier than he was in camp. imo

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                I've been a longtime advocate of Taylor going back to Pat Burns.

                No offense to Ozell Nelson, but he is just not experienced enough at the top level to give Taylor what he needs in training camp. The fact that Burns didn't want Nelson involved in Taylor's daily workouts speaks volumes about the kind of influence he feels Nelson has, IMO.

                Let's face it, Taylor is not a cerebral fighter. For this reason, Burns kept a tight leash on Taylor in the ring, basically choreographing his movements for him. This worked well for Taylor, who is much better at following orders than he is at coming up with his own plan.

                I feel Manny Steward went wrong with Taylor by trying to make him think more in the ring, forcing him to figure things out for himself... this would be a good thing for a lot of fighters, but not for a guy like Taylor. Taylor is more machine than he is artist; you have to program him, not allow him to be creative.

                From a 2006 HBO article, when Taylor had just started working with Steward before the Wright fight:
                Steward is not one to impose his will. He likes a fighter to think and create in the ring. So he simply showed Taylor two or three key things, then the trainer would climb in the ring during sparring for a closer look as Taylor tried to use what he'd been taught. For Taylor, this was totally unlike his experience under the more rigid Burns regime, where the fighter was not encouraged to improvise and create. With Steward, Taylor felt free to explore the outer reaches of his talent.
                Whether its with Burns or another trainer, I feel that Taylor's got a lot more to offer the sport and is not getting everything he could from his incredible skillset come fight time.

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                • KingTito
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                  I honestly believe that Taylor has more to offer the sport. He should go back to Burns to be honest. He needs to work on his conditioning. Taylor needs to have a very strict camp and be told what to do. He's not a smart boxer. I just don't know how he'll come back. He needs to do something.

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                  • -Antonio-
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                    Steward was all wrong for Taylor. Instead of fixing his weaknesses, he tried to improve his strengths. I think that was a mistake. Burns should be in his corner.

                    Originally posted by MELLY-MEL...
                    taylor has a very similar problem as oldh did when he fights. Being far to TENSE, he is so tight through the fight it saps his energy, and forces him to gas earlier than he was in camp. imo
                    This is exactly what I think.

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