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  • #51
    Originally posted by dlt View Post
    and i dont mean that in the way that it sounds. Seriously, im not going to defend this weight thing or anything else anymore. Whats the point? The haters are going to hate anyways. No matter what you say and how true it is, they will spin it and try to act like its not true. Im not defending this weight crap anymore. The guy is p4p the smallest guy in boxing and you have to defend him. Name 1 boxer that weighs less on fight night in a p4p sense? No one does. Again, i think this is all coming down to floyd beating jmm and these guys cant stand it. Jmm is there hero and floyd is the guy they hate the most so for floyd to beat him, its really making everyone snap and go crazy. They can snap all they want but it will still go down as a floyd win and a jmm loss. Ive always felt that boxing was biased towards hispanics. All they do is fight eachother. I use to get mad when the p4p rankings would come out and all you see is pac, jmm, mab, and em despite them all having recent losses but it doesnt count because they were against eachother. Well how do you know how good any of these guys are if they dont fight a black or a dark skin fighter. None of them ever do and when they do they lose. Jmm vs norwood, em vs raheem, mab vs jones, and soon pac vs floyd. Yet the media and fans spend all there time praising them and ripping floyd, hopkins, rj, and so on. Its a joke.

    I will not defend him anymore after this because it goes in one ear and out the other. There going to hate no matter what and after he wins another fight then it will be another excuse. You here it already. They keep saying "why doesnt he fight mosley". Then in the next sentence they say, "what is he waiting for shane to get old". What does that mean? That means theyve been crying the whole time for him to fight shane and when he beats him then will then try to say that shane was too old, like floyd has to fight him when they want or when shane wants. Come off it. Dont let them try to make you apologize for floyd fighting these guys that are there hero's. They try to convince you that you have to feel bad for the win. Im not falling for that. This is it for me. Floyd fans shoudnt even argue or make a bunch of threads defending him anymore. Just let them hate. They will look dumb soon just talking to themselves. If its about bashing then im not going to respond. If its about fights then we can talk all day
    does loses against black dudes were flukes an non of them are legends like my boys suckaaaaaa!!!!

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    • #52
      Originally posted by BmoreBrawler View Post
      At weigh in, you get the fighter at his raw bone and muscles. Anything you gain afterwards is fat and water weight. Why do you guys act like boxing is wrestling and all that matters is weight anyway? Reach and height are the most important things. Maybe Fraud should fight Cotto and Mosley now that the two giants are out of the division more or less.
      I 100% disagree with all of this. How is weight not important? Its by far the #1 thing after pure skill but weight is the only thing that can overcome skill. Height & reach are nothing compared to weight. Look at Williams and Tyson. That means nothing. Look at Chico & Floyd. Height is nothing compared to weight. I also disagree with the thing you said about the 2 giants, like Cotto & Mosley are small. I keep saying this. Everyone use to act like Cotto was huge and now he's small just because Margarito made him look like a boy in the ring? Hell No. He's a big guy. Margarito is just that big. Cotto is still huge compared to Floyd. He's built like a rock. He comes in at 162 and thats about to start going up. Dont try to play him like he's small. Shane is another guy. Shane knocks out guys at 154. He's proably the smallest out the elite guys but he's still clearly bigger than Floyd. With that being said, I have always felt that Floyd would fight Shane because unlike Cotto & Margarito, Shane wont bully you with his size. I think Floyd genuinely wants that fight but I just think he wants Pac & JMM 1st because there the top 2 P4P and he can get them out the way and just stay at WW instead of going back & forths

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      • #53
        Originally posted by yeykax View Post
        does loses against black dudes were flukes an non of them are legends like my boys suckaaaaaa!!!!
        Look man, Im not a hater. I love all those guys. I have virtually all of EM, Pac, JMM, and MAB's fights on tapes and I root for them all the time. I love watching them fight. Still, I honestly feel like boxing is biased towards those type of guys and dont give love to others. I also thought it was so unfar when everyone had those guys near the top of the P4P list and they would lose to eachother but neve drop. How can you not drop them? Just because they lost to eachother? That would be fine with me if they fought other guys in between then but they wouldnt. How can other guys move up then? Then you have EM get shut out against Raheem but people still gave Pac super credit when he kills EM the next 2 fights. It makes no sense. Thats my point. People act like that Raheem fight never happened. If that was someone like Floyd then he wouldnt get no credit for knocking out a guy after he just got shut out. Then what wouldve happened if Floyd wanted another fight with him even after that? They wouldve killed him but not only did they not kill Pac for the 3rd fight, they again gave him mad credit for the win. Time goes by and guess what? There still either fighting eachother or there fighting guys like the Diaz boyz. I still like them fighting those guys better then eachother but give guys like Guzman or Nate a chance. Atleast Pac is fighting Hatton now which is somewhat different but JMM is talking about fighting JMM if not Floyd
        Last edited by DLT; 04-29-2009, 07:50 PM.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by DLT View Post
          I 100% disagree with all of this. How is weight not important? Its by far the #1 thing after pure skill but weight is the only thing that can overcome skill. Height & reach are nothing compared to weight. Look at Williams and Tyson. That means nothing. Look at Chico & Floyd. Height is nothing compared to weight. I also disagree with the thing you said about the 2 giants, like Cotto & Mosley are small. I keep saying this. Everyone use to act like Cotto was huge and now he's small just because Margarito made him look like a boy in the ring? Hell No. He's a big guy. Margarito is just that big. Cotto is still huge compared to Floyd. He's built like a rock. He comes in at 162 and thats about to start going up. Dont try to play him like he's small. Shane is another guy. Shane knocks out guys at 154. He's proably the smallest out the elite guys but he's still clearly bigger than Floyd. With that being said, I have always felt that Floyd would fight Shane because unlike Cotto & Margarito, Shane wont bully you with his size. I think Floyd genuinely wants that fight but I just think he wants Pac & JMM 1st because there the top 2 P4P and he can get them out the way and just stay at WW instead of going back & forths
          Think about ACTUAL BOXING for 1 second and not reading off a boxrec sheet. Weight is only a factor if it = an increase in power. Reach and Height are bigger advantages. Obviously you can neutralize any natural disadvantage with skills like speed, accuracy etc.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by 2501 View Post
            just look at the way you post. you sound like a ****ing orphan who has no father and wishes desperately that Floyd was him. look at the bolded statement. Are you serious? do you NOT see how ridiculous you sound?

            You're almost as bad as that other floyd groupie who posted

            "Floyd would destroy that ass"

            when someone posted a pic of some girl. thats right, instead of "damn, i'd destroy that", this fool said FLOYD would do that. when he realized how much of a groupie he sounded like, he went back and deleted it.

            THATS how you sound.
            He disses your favourite fighter, and you talk about his family?

            Wow, 2501 I seriously thought you were one of the few who actually had some class, that was low.

            Edit: He didn't even diss JMM, just stating the fact that Mayweather will make this tune-up fight look easy, but glad JMM is getting the pay day he deserves.
            Last edited by Parody; 04-29-2009, 08:07 PM.

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            • #56
              Originally posted by BmoreBrawler View Post
              Think about ACTUAL BOXING for 1 second and not reading off a boxrec sheet. Weight is only a factor if it = an increase in power. Reach and Height are bigger advantages. Obviously you can neutralize any natural disadvantage with skills like speed, accuracy etc.
              Well see, were basically talking about 2 different things. Your right that weight isnt a factor if both guys are natural at that weight but its a huge factor if one isnt. Like Floyd was outweighed by 12 pounds against Chico but that doesnt matter because Floyd was also a natural 130 pounder. Floyd however, isnt a natural WW. He's totally untatural and all those guys are true natural WW's at the least. Thats why the weight matters. You cant act like Floyd isnt unatural at the weight. I think he gets penalized because he's so good that he can fight at weights that he shouldnt be fighting at so everyone expects him to do abnormal things. If there was anyone else Floyd's size trying to fight those big WW's then they would get straight slaughtered. Those guys would seriously look a weight class or 2 bigger than Floyd in the ring without a doubt. Its all good though homie. It is what it is and we'll see how it all plays out

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              • #57
                and I dont mean that in the way that it sounds. Seriously, Im not going to defend this weight thing or anything else anymore. Whats the point? The haters are going to hate anyways. No matter what you say and how true it is, they will spin it and try to act like its not true. Im not defending this weight crap anymore. The guy is P4P the smallest guy in boxing and you have to defend him. Name 1 boxer that weighs less on fight night in a P4P sense? No one does. Again, I think this is all coming down to Floyd beating JMM and these guys cant stand it. JMM is there hero and Floyd is the guy they hate the most so for Floyd to beat him, its really making everyone snap and go crazy. They can snap all they want but it will still go down as a Floyd win and a JMM loss. Ive always felt that boxing was biased towards Hispanics. All they do is fight eachother. I use to get mad when the P4P rankings would come out and all you see is Pac, JMM, MAB, and EM despite them all having recent losses but it doesnt count because they were against eachother. Well how do you know how good any of these guys are if they dont fight a black or a dark skin fighter. None of them ever do and when they do they lose. JMM vs Norwood, EM vs Raheem, MAB vs Jones, and soon Pac vs Floyd. Yet the media and fans spend all there time praising them and ripping Floyd, Hopkins, RJ, and so on. Its a joke.

                I will not defend him anymore after this because it goes in one ear and out the other. There going to hate no matter what and after he wins another fight then it will be another excuse. You here it already. They keep saying "why doesnt he fight Mosley". Then in the next sentence they say, "what is he waiting for Shane to get old". What does that mean? That means theyve been crying the whole time for him to fight Shane and when he beats him then will then try to say that Shane was too old, like Floyd has to fight him when they want or when Shane wants. Come off it. Dont let them try to make you apologize for Floyd fighting these guys that are there hero's. They try to convince you that you have to feel bad for the win. Im not falling for that. This is it for me. Floyd fans shoudnt even argue or make a bunch of threads defending him anymore. Just let them hate. They will look dumb soon just talking to themselves. If its about bashing then Im not going to respond. If its about fights then we can talk all day
                great post

                I learned along time ago not to argue with floyd haters.

                I mean they don't have an argument when it comes to floyd ATG status, floyds accomplsihments in the ring dwarf anything their fav fighters have accomplsihed.

                so don't argue with them or defend floyd against some geek on a keyboard who has never seen the inside of a ring.

                I want floyd to decapitate marquez and send pac into oblivion, then retire again as the p4p#1 fighter.

                if the haters don't like it too bad they can kiss my ass

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by mangler View Post
                  WTF you talkin about? I ain't supportin Mr boat buyer again til he beats a top WW.
                  But you support Pavlik even though he's fighting yet another bum and lost to an old man.

                  What's the difference between Pavlik and Mayweather???

                  Hmmmmmm..

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by boxasmash View Post
                    exactly, pacquiao is not a legit fight either unless it's at 140.
                    I bet thats not what you said when Pac beat Oscar at 147.

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by Deja_Vous View Post
                      But you support Pavlik even though he's fighting yet another bum and lost to an old man.

                      What's the difference between Pavlik and Mayweather???

                      Hmmmmmm..

                      You again homey? Give it a rest. I said I like watchin Pavlik fight. I did not say I respect Pavlik as a fighter more than I respect Mr boat buyer. Get off my nuts man.

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