So I Actually Taught Emmanuel Steward Something...

[Mr. Ryan]

Got ya.

Do you think the house do or should show more loyalty to the talent who are making them money? I mean if a fighter was to walk away after a bum decision wouldn't he be walking away with potential millions of the houses money?

Shouldn't they scratch each others back in theory, if the house are all about the dollar?

Hope im not just rambling feel free to ignore

The thing is, boxing is bigger than the fighters, the promoters, the commissions, the establishment of boxing. Boxing, in it's purest form, is a force of nature almost, something that cannot be contained.

No matter how you stack the odds, eventually it all catches up to you someday. Look at de la Hoya, he fought a guy in Pacquiao who was soooo much smaller than himself naturally and he still wound up getting the crap beat out of him.

The house tried to keep Ray Leonard around by giving him the Hagler decision, the Hearns II draw and allowing him to fight for two weight division titles against an average fighter Donnie Lalonde. But in the end he still wound up getting his ass kicked by Terry Norris and Hector Camacho.

Calzaghe realized that time was catching up with him when he got cut by Bika, then dropped in the first round twice in a row by Hopkins and Jones.

[Mr. Ryan]

Agreed. That's why i respect Lewis much more now. Resisting such temptations must be hard for any fighter, it pains me to see these 'money-fights' happen unless it was two prime fighters where the pay is justified.

I was going to mention Marciano, but my history isn't great so i'm not sure he fought everyone there was to fight to retire at the top.

As for Joe, he gets my respect for an undefeated career beating great fighters and not being seduced into big money fights with 'bigger' men too.

The super money fights usually don't happen until the fighter is past his prime. It's weird, actually. I think boxing's senior circuit, which is Jones, Calzaghe, Hopkins, De la Hoya, has been made up to keep the older lions away from the young up-and-comers whom they cannot keep pace with.

Marciano beat the guys of "his" era and retired after he realized he did not have the hunger to train as hard as he did when he was younger. I have a feeling Lewis felt the same thing.

When Marciano retired, they offered him a lot of money to come out and fight Floyd Patterson. Marciano wisely turned it down since this young gun would probably have boxed circles around this rusty, old version of Marciano.

[Dynamite Kid]

The thing is, boxing is bigger than the fighters, the promoters, the commissions, the establishment of boxing. Boxing, in it's purest form, is a force of nature almost, something that cannot be contained.

No matter how you stack the odds, eventually it all catches up to you someday. Look at de la Hoya, he fought a guy in Pacquiao who was soooo much smaller than himself naturally and he still wound up getting the crap beat out of him.

The house tried to keep Ray Leonard around by giving him the Hagler decision, the Hearns II draw and allowing him to fight for two weight division titles against an average fighter Donnie Lalonde. But in the end he still wound up getting his ass kicked by Terry Norris and Hector Camacho.

Calzaghe realized that time was catching up with him when he got cut by Bika, then dropped in the first round twice in a row by Hopkins and Jones.

.................Good post.

generally Boxing retires you not the other way around

[Mr. Ryan]

.................Good post.

generally Boxing retires you not the other way around

There was this VH1 series "Strange Frequency" with Roger Daltrey of The Who that I associate with boxing. One of the stories was of this guitar player who wanted to make it big. His fortunes turned when he buys Jimi Hendrix's sheetnotes and summons the Devil, who offers him a hit song in exchange for his soul.

When it's time for the debt to be repayed, the Devil makes him a deal: Play this music correctly and you get your soul. Well, the music continues to change after his hand starts to bleed and he winds up eventually losing.

In boxing, there will always be challengers coming up against you, and while you get older, they get younger. Just like the guitar player, you cannot just keep playing because eventually it catches up to you.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

The thing is, boxing is bigger than the fighters, the promoters, the commissions, the establishment of boxing. Boxing, in it's purest form, is a force of nature almost, something that cannot be contained.

No matter how you stack the odds, eventually it all catches up to you someday. Look at de la Hoya, he fought a guy in Pacquiao who was soooo much smaller than himself naturally and he still wound up getting the crap beat out of him.

The house tried to keep Ray Leonard around by giving him the Hagler decision, the Hearns II draw and allowing him to fight for two weight division titles against an average fighter Donnie Lalonde. But in the end he still wound up getting his ass kicked by Terry Norris and Hector Camacho.

Calzaghe realized that time was catching up with him when he got cut by Bika, then dropped in the first round twice in a row by Hopkins and Jones.

Love these observations and insight. Cool stuff.

[Dynamite Kid]

Love these observations and insight. Cool stuff.

..............Co-sign

[Mr. Ryan]

Thanks guys, don't be surprised if Emmanuel Steward mentions this on Saturday.

[Texanballer]

Did Sven Ottke beat the house?

[Mr. Ryan]

Did Sven Ottke beat the house?

He certainly did. He had goals, met them, and walked away with his dignity intact.

[WetSexyLlamaPR]

Thanks guys, don't be surprised if Emmanuel Steward mentions this on Saturday.

Lol why do you say that? Did you leave that good of an impression with your casino analogy? Or have you spoken to him on previous occasions only to hear him say stuff on the HBO telecasts that you swear you had mentioned to him in interviews?