Ruiz beats Golota via highly disputed UD

[TheFairPole]

Nobody can deny that this was a terrible discusting insult to the sport!!! Those scores were imppossible!!! Boxing will always be ****ed and this decision helped to prove it to the world!!! Accept it!!! This **** will always happen!!!

[Hurlex]

hell i agree...boxing is about dissapointments sometimes...it makes u come back to it and have a passion for the sport...so love it dammit

[DamienFromTheAshes]

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Don King

Whatever. Don King and Mike Tyson are the two biggest scapegoats in boxing. Anything wrong with boxing is either supposedly Tyson's fault or King's fault. That's just bull****.

There have been plenty of controversial decisions that Don King had absolutely no involvement in. Plenty of Arum and DiBella decisions (as well as other promoters) have been very fishy.

Pacquaio clearly beat Marquez. But Marquez was the Arum guy. So Pac was given the BS draw.

Whitaker clearly beat DLH, but DLH was Arum's money man, so DLH won.

Courtney Burton undoubtedly lost to Emmanuel Augustus. Nobody can dispute that. One of the most one-sided fights in recent history where the other guy got the decision.

Why would King bribe the judges when both guys are his fighters? He just recently signed Golata, knows people ****ing hate Ruiz. Golata would be the bigger money man. There's the potiential Golata vs. Bowe 3 rematch that King would love to bank on. If King wanted to screw anybody, why not Larry Donald? That was a much more important fight for King than the Ruiz vs. Golata winner.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying King is an angel. He definitely does bad. But he doesn't deserve all the blame every time something goes wrong. I don't see why King would want Ruiz to win over Golata at all. Ruiz vs. Toney or Klitschko would probably mean King would lose the WBA heavyweight title. Then he'd only have Byrd and Brewster as heavyweight champs.

King is a smart man. He can operate legally and he seems to be doing that right now for the most part. The only bribery I'd accuse him of is basically owning the WBA. Seriously, look at their recent track record with King in the heavyweight division. How else could you explain why Larry Donald was even in the top 10? Or Holyfield.

King is trying to figure out how to get that WBC title. He's got a bunch of mediocre heavyweights that he's hoping can lift the title off a just above mediocre heavyweight. Of guys available to him that are active, I'd say Byrd is his best bet. So he's screwed.

If he could motivate Tua, he'd have something. Tua from around 99-2000 would beat Vitali I think. I don't care for Tua too much, but lately I've liked him more just by comparison to worse guys.

[hollister]

Yeah, King is smart, he promotes the way Ruiz fights. And no matter how great anyone thinks King is, he's definately done more bad for the sport than good.

[DamienFromTheAshes]

You want to fix boxing? Max Kellerman has the right idea.

Teddy Atlas has pushed hard for that National Commission. I really don't care about a national commission. It would do only so much.

Instead of even worrying about a national commission, I like Kellerman's idea of having a private corporation like the NBA or NFL.

Let's have a fake name for it. We'll call it the WBL...World Boxing League.

All boxers get hired by the WBL and it operates similarly to the NBA. it has scouting, drafting, etc.

You have all of the current weight classes and one champion in each weight class. The WBL schedules and promotes every fight, thus making boxing promoters (the ones hurting the sport) useless and a thing of the past.

Fights would then make their way back to ESPN in higher profile, then back to Network TV very easily. We'd have Friday and Saturday night big fights for free.

The big fights would get made. What are the big elements keeping big fights from happening now? Fighters being with different promoters, different networks, and money.

In the WBL, all these problems become non-issues. No promoters, so no problem there. The WBL fighters would fight on any network the WBL had an agreement with, no problem there. Money...the WBL could set up some sort of negotiating system I suppose. Each fighter gets a contract to fight so many fights over a number of years or something. And each fight, the winner gets the bigger share of the money.

Then the star fighters could also get endorsements. This would help take care of any money issues whatsoever. Imagine Mike Tyson Nike's (Mikeys?)

Another thing, champions would not have to pay the WBL to hold its titles. Think about this. Boxing is the only sport that I know of in which the athletes pay to be champion. Sanctioning fees. There is something wrong with any sport in which you have to pay money to be able to hold the title, or to even be ranked.


The WBL...or something corporate like the NBA...this is the answer to fixing boxing and making it a popular sport. If nobody does it by the time I'm a rich and famous director, I'll try starting it up myself.

[DamienFromTheAshes]

King has done more good for the sport in my opinion. He's kept it alive, even if barely. Like Tyson. And De La Hoya. Without these 3, especially Tyson and King, boxing wouldn't even be as small as it is now.

It'd be a full-fledged fringe sport, shown at like 2 am. Guys that we love now might not have even started boxing b/c it might be such a fringe sport that it might start only attracting ****ty guys like Butterbean guys or Joe Mesi types.

[Nautilus]

King has done more good for the sport in my opinion. He's kept it alive, even if barely. Like Tyson. And De La Hoya. Without these 3, especially Tyson and King, boxing wouldn't even be as small as it is now.

This is just a complete horse-**** (sorry)

[TheFairPole]

[QUOTE=Nautilus]

King has done more good for the sport in my opinion. He's kept it alive, even if barely. Like Tyson. And De La Hoya. Without these 3, especially Tyson and King, boxing wouldn't even be as small as it is now.
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This is just a complete horse-**** (sorry)

Agreed!!! The sport will florish when King is gone!!!

[DamienFromTheAshes]

Let me add more about King. While I think he has done lots of good for the sport of boxing, he has NOT done very well by his boxers. Especially Tyson. He messed Tyson up the worse imo. Robbed him completely blind.

I've read and watched King a lot though. He's a cold-hearted SOB, but he's right. It isn't his fault that these guys let him rip them off. So many of them sign contracts without reading them or without having a lawyer read them. Or if they do read the contracts, they don't fully understand them. It isn't just King though. I've heard about Arum even letting up and coming boxers use his own lawyers or he'd even pay their lawyer's fees or something. So obviously, those lawyers would advise the boxers to sign.

And the boxers don't realize when they receive gifts or anything, they have to pay for a lot of that ****. Nobody just gives you a house or a car. And promoters charge A LOT for their services, obviously. I'm sure someone had to have read where McCline said he was there to avoid being fined $15 k by King. He said "fined" because that was the more truthful term for it, but it was really a fee to King for King promoting for him instead of him showing up.

These record companies do the same exact thing. Guys like Damon Dash and Russell Simmons. Musicians typically don't get paid anything like what they appear. Artists get about $1.60 per album sold. Very few artists have Platinum records.

But after that $1.60 per album, they have to pay tour expenses, advertising costs and a bunch of other hidden fees, equipment use and such. Then they have to have high priced lawyers for when people sue them or just for negotiations. They need agents to help manage them. And they need accountants to help them hold onto the money they do get to keep.

I know more about the recording industry than I do about the business of boxing, but from everything I can gather, it is fairly similar in the "screw the entertainer/athlete" department. People only show up for boxing to watch the boxers. Not the other stuff. Just like people only listen to Nelly or Britney Spears b/c they want to see/hear Nelly or Britney Spears.

Unfortunately the ones that making boxing great (the fighters) don't get the biggest piece of the money pie. The promoters do.

That's why King is bad for boxing. Not because he's hurting how many people watch boxing. He puts asses in seats, but then he doesn't put money in pockets...except his own.

[Soundtraveler]

I could not view the event here at home, but after reading the BEST blow by blow I have EVER read - I must say it sounds to me like Ruiz got Christmas early and Golata got got it in the backside without the courtesy of a reach around OR KY Jelly !

I cannot believe the ref would allow so much holding - wait - it's the "hugging man" Ruiz in there - nevermind. Regardless of the holds, I cannot see, even though I didn't see the fight, how Ruiz could win virtually every round with the exception of the rounds in which he was either down, or had a point deducted. It seemed to me from the boxingscene.com report, that he did more holding than punching - could someone post the final punch stats from the fight for us all to view?