Valero could easily have been p4p#1

[Komander]

lol roach is funny.. "come on floyd come out of retirement we'll knock you out too" please, pacman will get beat badly

I dont know how people can say that Manny would beat Floyd. Mayweather is a bigger, faster, stronger and a better defensive fighter than Marquez.

[talip bin osman]

I dont know how people can say that Manny would beat Floyd. Mayweather is a bigger, faster, stronger and a better defensive fighter than Marquez.

as much as i am an MP fan... i really dont think MP can deal with PBF bcoz of the styles... bad style match-up for MP...

[C.Y.]

I dont know how people can say that Manny would beat Floyd. Mayweather is a bigger, faster, stronger and a better defensive fighter than Marquez.

EXACTLY.. its just hate for another fighter... i mean anything is possible, but a prime or semi-prime floyd mayweather easily beats manny pacquiao.. and im not even hating on the pacman because he is a great fighter, but stylistically its a bad matchup for him

[F l i c k e r]

First of all. How did this turn into a mayweather-pacquiao thread? Second of all, Floyd is not faster than Pacquiao and not stronger. Footwork is about even. While everything else would have to lean towards Mayweather. Like they say; "Defense wins championships" (i dont believe this but whatev.)

[C.Y.]

First of all. How did this turn into a mayweather-pacquiao thread? Second of all, Floyd is not faster than Pacquiao and not stronger. Footwork is about even. While everything else would have to lean towards Mayweather. Like they say; "Defense wins championships" (i dont believe this but whatev.)

pacquiao throws faster combinations, mayweather has a faster first punch.. mayweather has superior foot work and he is stronger

[Komander]

pacquiao throws faster combinations, mayweather has a faster first punch.. mayweather has superior foot work and he is stronger

Pacs speed really doesn't matter much. Pac is a lot faster than Marquez but was outboxed by Marquez for most of the rounds.

[F l i c k e r]

pacquiao throws faster combinations, mayweather has a faster first punch.. mayweather has superior foot work and he is stronger

Nah bro. In an unbiased sense. Pacquiao's hand speed is faster and his power is definately more than Mayweather. His track record speaks for his power over Mayweather. Pacquiao can put you on your ass with one good punch. Mayweather cant/wont do that, thus weaker in the power department.

Floyd has better defensive skills, smarts, and timing.

Footwork is about equal. Pacquiao can go in and out quickly. Mayweather chooses the right time to get in and knows the exact time to get out. Thus, about equal. Which is a smarter tactic is up in the air.

[C.Y.]

Pacs speed really doesn't matter much. Pac is a lot faster than Marquez but was outboxed by Marquez for most of the rounds.

true.. you're right.. its about timing

[KRITKL]

It's really disturbing in boxing how certain fighters are not protected, but even worse, get special privileges to face certain fighters based on who is their promoter or trainer. It was mentioned by HBO, that Guzman hired Floyd Mayweather Sr. as his trainer, not only because he liked his ability, but because it would allow him the chance to fight better competition. We all know Don King is the scum of the earth and will rob you of all your money... So why do fighters keep using him as their promoter? It's simple, that's how you get any fights!

Before I get to my point, here are some interesting facts!

After Morales beat Pacquaio, he lost to Raheem very badly by an lopsided decision. He lost so badly to Raheem that HBO thought Morales should retire as he clearly appeared washed up. Of course, Arum screamed at the camera saying "of course the rematch will happen", and it did. The rematch went ahead anyway and Pacquiao won and was suddenly in the p4p top 3. Did anyone forget Raheem just dominated Morales? I guess not... Morales then went on to fight Diaz, and lost yet again.

We all know Valero was the sparring partner for Morales in his first fight against Pacquiao, and from the footage I've seen, it appeared as if Valero was actually beating Morales in several sessions. This is the same Morales that beat Pacquiao without getting a scratch in return, in their first fight.

Now, let me get to my point. I'm absolutely sure that Valero would have beaten that version of Morales who lost to Raheem, Pacquiao, and David Diaz. I'm absolutely sure that Valero would have beaten David Diaz at 135. I would even favor Valero against Marquez, who seems to have a chin problem, because he would be in the danger zone every minute of all 12 rounds against the fighter who they say hits harder than Margarito. (as claimed by sparring partners of Margarito who have also sparred with Valero)

Barrera also used Valero as his sparring partner. Prior to his rematch with Pacquiao, he was asked who can beat Pacquiao. Barrera replied, "I'm positive Valero would beat Pacquiao". My question is, what the hell is Barrera fighting him for then? I'm sure the public would much rather have seen Valero vs Pacquiao instead of a worthless rematch against an washed up fighter.

Now, we all know that Valero dominated Oscar de la Hoya in sparring, which is why he was fired and thrown out of the Big Bear training camp. Certain people in Oscar's camp have said Valero was moving in and out, and lightin' up Oscar's face, which made Oscar quit in the 8th round. (sound familiar?) This is why Valero boldly predicted Pacquiao to easily knockout Oscar, because he said Oscar was not really training like the media claimed, and that he was severely out of shape to be in any fight.

I know it's a BIG if, but IF Valero would have gotten the opportunity to face the mentioned fighters in the ring, I'm confident he would have beaten them all, with the only possible loss being to Marquez... who the majority of boxing analysis thought beat Pacquiao anyway.

Assuming Valero did accomplish those feats, would you have placed him as p4p1 since Floyd has retired? It's a shame there are other fighters out there who have the skills to accomplish the same feats as the "flavor of the year stars", but never get the opportunity. This is one of the reasons I prefer MMA match-ups, because you really know the best are actually fighting eachother.

back to the subject,..it does suck that who you know or are promoted by gets you fights, but thats boxing and it ain't changing anytime soon. now saying valero could of beat all these guys we'll never know. so its useless saying he could or would, they have to actually fight like strugler was trying to say. if he did win those fights yeah i'm sure he would be up there on the p4p list. now eventually the best do end up fighting each other it just seems to take a little longer than it should. look at all the good fights we had this year so far. i think its because of mma gaining popularity, the economy, and also boxers that will fight anyone and want to fight the best ie,darchi, cotto. hey sometimes you get a good fight out of guys fighting people they shouldn't be fighting look at mma for example farber got kod by brown, i'm sure he probably kick brown's ass in sparring but getting back to the point thats why you fight.

[isbj]

I agree with the general concept of the thread starter. Which is some boxers are not given the same opportunity as others. For example Joan Guzman can easily be p4p if given the opportunity. After JG dominated Soto, Arum said JG would not be able to fight pac. However Soto was already being placed as Pac's next opponent had he been victorious and Soto still is Arum's back up plan for Manny. Guzman deserved that crack at Manny but they ran away after how easily he dominated Soto.

Another example is the DLH-Pac fight. Many boxing fans & media were calling for Oscar to face P. Williams or Margarito but neither of them got the shot. Either of these guys would have sent Oscar to the hospital that night, especially Marg and his "hands of stone"!

Pacquiao can put you on your ass with one good punch. Mayweather cant/wont do that, thus weaker in the power department.

Did you miss the Hatton-PBF fight? Mayweather had Hatton down & nearly out with 1 left hook, then immediately took him out after.