Sugar Ray Leonard's Wrong Game Plan Against Roberto Duran

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Alright.



Scorecards after 7 rounds:

Mike Jacobs 66-68 for Leonard
Jean Deswerts 66-68 for Leonard
James Brimmell 66-67 for Leonard

This is what I said:



That's all. Most of what your ranting has nothing to with what I said.



I have never said that Duran dominated Leonard. Please find where I've said anything of that sort.

Here's something interesting:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=886&dat=19800621&id=vqMKAAAAIBAJ&sjid=p0wDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6643,1943196

"If I had to fight Duran again," said Leonard, "I would not change my style. I know I surprised a lot of people at how well I could punch and take a punch. But I fought the way I felt was best to beat Duran."

OK, I back of direct attributing my response to you. However, your uoting of he scores is pretty mucch what i said .. insteds of 5-2... 4-2-1 on two cards and 4-3 on another. 8th round clearly leonards, 5-2-1 (which is what i said) on two cards, 5-3 on antother. That means that Ray was prettym much dominating the early action. If you carry that score out to 15 rounds. He wins by 4-5 points meaning easy victory. Yes there is room to come back but, Duran showed no ability to do so after leonard adjusted to him after 4 rounds in their first fight, and more assuradly what was happening in New Orleans. Stranger things have happened though.

As for your quote...great stuff. Ray always thought he could beat duran and get this machine....He even thought going into the Hagler fight he could (at that time) out fight hagler toe to toe....I do not know what he was smoking. If it was not for Dundee coming to camp and at the last minute switchin his style, combined with him getttinig rocked by Quincy taylor, we may have seen ray get brutally beaten in his fight with hagler.

[Thread Stealer]

I watched Sugar Ray Leonard Beyond the Glory and because Duran pissed him off he decided to fight flat footed... shouting at the press "I'm gonna fight him flat footed, and tell Duran that", when fighting flat footed he lost. When the rematch happened... his brother told Leonard that Duran is nothing but a bully, and the way to beat a bully is to make him look silly and embarrass him... Sugar Ray listened to this and when the press asked him how he would fight Duran in the rematch he turned around and said "Not flat footed!", he showboated throughout the fight making Duran look like an amateur, forcing Duran to quit.

I saw both of those docs too, but Leonard usually fought flat-footed anyway. Documentaries often simplify things, but there's often more to it.

Duran was frustrated and mentally beat. The taunting wasn't actually that new for Duran, as Viruet had done some taunting against Duran as well, but Duran was losing this time.

Again, I agree that the notion that Leonard had the wrong game plan in the first fight. But it wasn't as if he changed his style and fought more flat-footed because of Duran's mind games. Leonard usually fought flat-footed.

[Saloth Sar]

None of this should take anything away from Duran's achievement. As you say, Leonard was terrific that night and against a lesser fighter would have prevailed comfortably. Duran's was one of those special efforts where on that night he would have been tough for any ATG to beat. It was just one of those magical performances you see maybe once a decade.

Poet

i agree. co sign
although what makes Srl win duran better than duran win over srl..
was that Srl beat duran mentally and physically. to the point where duran quit. Instead of taking a for sure 4 more rounds of embarrassment. So he just quit

[TheGreatA]

OK, I back of direct attributing my response to you. However, your uoting of he scores is pretty mucch what i said .. insteds of 5-2... 4-2-1 on two cards and 4-3 on another. 8th round clearly leonards, 5-2-1 (which is what i said) on two cards, 5-3 on antother. That means that Ray was prettym much dominating the early action. If you carry that score out to 15 rounds. He wins by 4-5 points meaning easy victory. Yes there is room to come back but, Duran showed no ability to do so after leonard adjusted to him after 4 rounds in their first fight, and more assuradly what was happening in New Orleans. Stranger things have happened though.

As for your quote...great stuff. Ray always thought he could beat duran and get this machine....He even thought going into the Hagler fight he could (at that time) out fight hagler toe to toe....I do not know what he was smoking. If it was not for Dundee coming to camp and at the last minute switchin his style, combined with him getttinig rocked by Quincy taylor, we may have seen ray get brutally beaten in his fight with hagler.

Agreed but in my opinion Duran was actually winning the 8th round against Leonard until he quit at the end of it.



Just a shocking turn of events.

[MoneyMayFan]

Theres no damn way he was winning that round

[TheGreatA]

Theres no damn way he was winning that round

Breakdown of the round:

0:04 Duran lands jabs
0:08 Leonard counters with a jab
0:20 Duran rushes and lands a body punch
0:25 Duran feinting, rushes again and lands as does Leonard
0:40 Duran rushes again, Leonard clinches
0:52 Duran throws a jab, Leonard throws a jab to the body, Duran rushes yet again and throws a right hand and left hook, landing the left solidly, Leonard counters with a solid jab
1:03 Leonard counters with a jab
1:15 Leonard lands a jab, Duran tries to counter with a left
1:18 Duran counters Leonard's jab with a solid right
1:20 Duran rushes, lands a jab and throws a left hook, Leonard lands two jabs
1:26 Duran counters Leonard's right with a right of his own
1:28 Duran lands a 1-2 and quits

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Agreed but in my opinion Duran was actually winning the 8th round against Leonard until he quit at the end of it.



Just a shocking turn of events.

Are you smoking crack. Leonard was hitting duran with flush shots time after time in that round. Dammm anyone that thinks duran was winning that round, is completely smoking. In fact Leoanrd was getting planted on his shots for the 1st timme in that fight, and was catching Duran.

Wow, my man machine. Come on buddy.

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Duran landed a couple of jabs..Leoanrd caught Duran with several hard shots towards the later part of that round before duran quit. All Duran landed was a couple of jabs.