Hatton Heads To Vegas, Vows To Boss Pacquiao Around

[baracuda]

LOL! I like the way you think your personal list is the definitive list that everyone else has to follow!!

The Ring's pound for pound ratings are by far the most respected ones in boxing, because they are a concensus of the ratings of a very large panel of highly respected boxing experts who do not work for The Ring. The Ring's ratings panel is listed here.

Their current P4P list is as follows:

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Juan Manuel Marquez
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Israel Vazquez
5. Shane Mosley
6. Rafael Marquez
7. Ivan Calderon
8. Ricky Hatton
9. Celestino Caballero
10. Vic Darchinyan

i respect that but the list was just my opinion.i don't forget my place in here, im only a boxing fan but im entitled to my own opinion.where did you get the idea that my opinion should be the one to follow,that's just arrogance and you're a bit judgemental!

[Dave Rado]

i respect that but the list was just my opinion.i don't forget my place in here, im only a boxing fan but im entitled to my own opinion.where did you get the idea that my opinion should be the one to follow,that's just arrogance and you're a bit judgemental!

Sorry if I misunderstood your post, but you wrote: "top 10 p4p fighters in the world" and then gave a list. You didn't say that list was just your opinion, you stated it as if that was the generally agreed list. And you didn't take into account that The Ring's list, which is the generally agreed list, does have Hatton at #8. So if I was judgemental it was because of the way I understood or misunderstood what you wrote. I am not normally a judgemental person at all.

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

LOL! I like the way you think your personal list is the definitive list that everyone else has to follow!!

The Ring's pound for pound ratings are by far the most respected ones in boxing, because they are a concensus of the ratings of a very large panel of highly respected boxing experts who do not work for The Ring. The Ring's ratings panel is listed here.

Their current P4P list is as follows:

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Juan Manuel Marquez
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Israel Vazquez
5. Shane Mosley
6. Rafael Marquez
7. Ivan Calderon
8. Ricky Hatton
9. Celestino Caballero
10. Vic Darchinyan

Sorry buddy, The ring list or not. that P4P lit is garbage. the ring did a terrible job with that List. What the **** is Cabalero doing there. Why rafa Maquez is #6 in that list, when he havent won a fight in 2 years and he lost his las 2?

Barracudas list looks way better!!!!!

[Dave Rado]

Sorry buddy, The ring list or not. that P4P lit is garbage. the ring did a terrible job with that List. What the **** is Cabalero doing there. Why rafa Maquez is #6 in that list, when he havent won a fight in 2 years and he lost his las 2?

Barracudas list looks way better!!!!!

You're entitled to your opinion, champ, and of course no one will agree with all of the names on any list, but the fact is that The Ring's list is the consensus opinion of a very large panel of respected boxing experts (currently 37 people), who don't work for The Ring, which is why it's generally accepted in boxing as the P4P list. The panel is listed here. Most respected boxing publications are represented in the panel, including boxingscene.com. It's the best available indicator of how boxing experts in general rate the current fighters, even if you disagree with some of the names in it.

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

You're entitled to your opinion, champ, and of course no one will agree with all of the names on any list, but the fact is that The Ring's list is the consensus opinion of a very large panel of respected boxing experts (currently 37 people), who don't work for The Ring, which is why it's generally accepted in boxing as the P4P list. The panel is listed here. Most respected boxing publications are represented in the panel, including boxingscene.com. It's the best available indicator of how boxing experts in general rate the current fighters, even if you disagree with some of the names in it.

And I understand what Your saying. But we were talking about the list itself, wich is garbge!!!!!!!!!!

[Dave Rado]

And I understand what Your saying. But we were talking about the list itself, wich is garbge!!!!!!!!!!

Well it's a matter of opinion. I don't know much about Caballero and I've never seen him fight; but Rafa's last fight was in March 2008, so it was one year ago, not two; and he got in so high the same way that his brother did - on the back of a very close loss to someone who is rated just above him in the list (Vasquez), in a fabulous fight that was part of a great trilogy. You may disagree with it, but you can't say it's impossible to make a case for Rafa being there.

Boxingscene's own P4P list has Rafa at #8, BTW.

[Underdog82]

Hatton will win. Considering that Hatton haters don't want to bet real money on it kind of shows that they don't even think Pacquiao is going to win.

In their heart they want Pacquiao to win, but in their heads they know its probably not happening.

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

Well it's a matter of opinion. I don't know much about Caballero and I've never seen him fight; but Rafa's last fight was in March 2008, so it was one year ago, not two; and he got in so high the same way that his brother did - on the back of a very close loss to someone who is rated just above him in the list (Vasquez), in a fabulous fight that was part of a great trilogy. You may disagree with it, but you can't say it's impossible to make a case for Rafa being there.

Do yo know how to read and comprehen? I said Marqueaz last win was 2 years ago. Not his last fight. And he also lost his las 2.

And his brother lost to pac, then went up in weight and KOd the Lineal and ring champ of the division and then went to destroy the second ranked fighter in his division.

2 different situations buddy.

Rafa Marquez should not be on that list, let alone number 6.

[Dave Rado]

Hatton will win. Considering that Hatton haters don't want to bet real money on it kind of shows that they don't even think Pacquiao is going to win.

In their heart they want Pacquiao to win, but in their heads they know its probably not happening.

If you look at the betting odds, a lot more people are betting real money on Pacquiao than on Hatton.

[Dave Rado]

Do yo know how to read and comprehen? I said Marqueaz last win was 2 years ago. Not his last fight. And he also lost his las 2.

Okay I misread your post, sorry, no one is perfect.

And his brother lost to pac, then went up in weight and KOd the Lineal and ring champ of the division and then went to destroy the second ranked fighter in his division.

He was ranked #2 straight after his loss to Pac, so at that time, it was a similar situation to Rafa.

Rafa Marquez should not be on that list, let alone number 6.

You're entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't make it fact.

The following is what Boxingscene writes where they justify their listing of him at #8 in their P4P list:

Marquez had the better resume prior to his rivalry with Vasquez and, even in losing 2 of 3, all he’s done is add to the shine. After three early career stoppage losses that might have doomed him to be just “Juan Manuel’s brother,” Marquez found his way into the ring in 2001 and 02 with American Flyweight great Mark Johnson. Johnson was his first great rival and Marquez ended Johnson’s prime while emerging victorious in both those bouts. In 2003, he ended the run of another solid American, then-undefeated bantamweight Tim Austin, annexing the IBF belt at 118 lbs. in the process. Seven title defenses later, he stood out as one of the best Bantamweights to come around since the 1980s heyday of Jeff Chandler. His world title victory in the first Vasquez fight and the two subsequent losses put the icing on the cake. His has been a great career and it’s not over yet, but age is catching his body rapidly and the end may be nearer than anyone would hope for. One might ask by the end of this list why his two straight losses seemingly count less than losses for other fighters like a Miguel Cotto. The evidence is in the fights. Marquez had a case for victory in the rubber match with Vasquez and was nip-tuck throughout the epic trilogy; if Vasquez is here, Marquez belongs nearby though if both find youthful titlists like the aforementioned Lopez or a Steve Molitor to much for their worn bodies too withstand next year, it would be no surprise.