Haye: "Wladimir Klitschko Will Be Easy, Won't Go Six"

[Jam Jars]

Wrong.

Wlad's clinching is quick and tactical. Clinching is allowed, excessive holding (like what Hatton and Ruiz did) is illegal.

Haye was scared and tried to blame his shit performance on a toe injury. Go knit a sweater, Nigel.

You're wrong any holding to gain an advantage is illegal............ which is obviously what Wlad's uses it for.

Go learn the rules before discussing them will you.

[Derranged]

You're wrong any holding to gain an advantage is illegal............ which is obviously what Wlad's uses it for.

Go learn the rules before discussing them will you.

Clinching to a degree is a part of boxing. Everyone does it. Some do it excessively.

Argue whatever the hell you want, Haye did not lose because of Wlad's clinching/holding. I know Haye let you down but its time to let it go.

[yoz]

Why do you keep digging up old articles?

Haye is irrelevant. This whole thread is irrelevant.

[Jam Jars]

Clinching to a degree is a part of boxing. Everyone does it. Some do it excessively.

Argue whatever the hell you want, Haye did not lose because of Wlad's clinching/holding. I know Haye let you down but its time to let it go.

I'm talking about Wlad in general, clinching is part of boxing if done as a last resort not tactically to prevent the oppositions attack. That's when it becomes illegal.

[yoz]

I'm talking about Wlad in general, clinching is part of boxing if done as a last resort not tactically to prevent the oppositions attack. That's when it becomes illegal.

Like Ward-Kessler. That included headbutts, too, though; which are also illegal...

[papillon82]

Oh no, please don't bring Haye up again... that guy needs to be forgotten

[White_Knight]

I'm talking about Wlad in general, clinching is part of boxing if done as a last resort not tactically to prevent the oppositions attack. That's when it becomes illegal.

If I had to guess, I'd say about 70 - 80% of boxers clinch without it being a last resort. I watched a fight today where Donald clinched Cooper multiple times without it being "a last resort", I watched another fight today where Lopez clinched Ortiz multiple times without it being "a last resort", and I could name countless other fights where boxers have done it without being "a last resort".

Boxers often using clinching as a way of avoiding infighting. Lewis did it all the time and so did Ali. Holyfield did it repeatedly against Tyson. Actually, everyone did it against Tyson.

I counted Ruiz initiating 163 clinches against Golota. The referree took a point away for punching behind the head, but didn't even give a warning to him for clinching. Idiotic Klitschko-haters want Wladimir disqualified for doing something Ruiz did more without even getting a warning.

[yoz]

[TaurusJ27]

Someone tell Haye to find another line of work.

[leff]

If I had to guess, I'd say about 70 - 80% of boxers clinch without it being a last resort. I watched a fight today where Donald clinched Cooper multiple times without it being "a last resort", I watched another fight today where Lopez clinched Ortiz multiple times without it being "a last resort", and I could name countless other fights where boxers have done it without being "a last resort".

Boxers often using clinching as a way of avoiding infighting. Lewis did it all the time and so did Ali. Holyfield did it repeatedly against Tyson. Actually, everyone did it against Tyson.

I counted Ruiz initiating 163 clinches against Golota. The referree took a point away for punching behind the head, but didn't even give a warning to him for clinching. Idiotic Klitschko-haters want Wladimir disqualified for doing something Ruiz did more without even getting a warning.

i used to ref and technicly speaking its illegal.

well......holding is illegal but relativly accepted.

clinching is legal, the formal difference is that a clinch is mutual.

but yeah in the pro ranks more is tolerated.......for instance i never understood how Lewis could hold with his left, uppercut with his right AND get away with it