Fights that could have made Roy Jones a top ten ATG

[winac]

Don't get me wrong I see your logic with losses later on in a fighter's careers being forgotten. After Ray Robinson's intial retirement he had three losses and finished his career with 20 losses or so, they were forgotten and he is considered the GOAT. I'm just saying that Roy's losses were pretty damn close to the prime of his career and that they are harder to forget. Also at the time of Tarver I, everyone was aware Roy was drained and that he showed a lot of grit to win. However going into the second fight he was a heavy favourite and was expected to win. He came out and dominated the first round like he did for years in the division and then in the second round was knocked out. People didn't think he was washed up. In fact I met a bartender in NY recently who said he was at that fight and was left shocked after Roy seemed to be back to his best in that first round and was abruptly knocked out. I just think that at the time of the fight there wasn't the concensus there is now of Roy being "past it" unlike pre-Calzaghe.

[Rich Loc]

Hopkins rematch
Toney Rematch
Paul Williams

[Chr0nic]

roy jones was'nt 193, he was weighed wrong, on fight night he was about 200 pounds

[winac]

roy jones was'nt 193, he was weighed wrong, on fight night he was about 200 pounds

note how I mentioned officially

[Chr0nic]

note how I mentioned officially

note how that was wrong, so it was about 25 pounds he dropped

[TEDetc]

I just think that at the time of the fight there wasn't the concensus there is now of Roy being "past it" unlike pre-Calzaghe.

I agree but Roy definatly was nowhere near his best after he came down from HW, his offensive skills may of emulated what they were in his prime but if you look at his defensive skills in them fights you'll see a huge gap. Back on topic though, apart from Dariusz Michalczewski there wasn't really any fighters in 97-03 that come to mind that could of heightened Roys achievements. Probably should of rematched Hopkins (although it really wouldn't of been neccessary he won a clear UD vs Hopkins the 1st time).

[winac]

I am aware of that but the official weigh should surely be the most trusted source, right or wrong. Despite the possibility that he may well have weighed 200 pounds, I would prefer to use something official rather than a rumour to bolster my arguments

[Chr0nic]

I am aware of that but the official weigh should surely be the most trusted source, right or wrong. Despite the possibility that he may well have weighed 200 pounds, I would prefer to use something official rather than a rumour to bolster my arguments

a rumor? the official weight was wrong, go watch the documentary
im not making this ****, im not taking it from what other posters have said or some ****

[winac]

I agree but Roy definatly was nowhere near his best after he came down from HW, his offensive skills may of emulated what they were in his prime but if you look at his defensive skills in them fights you'll see a huge gap. Back on topic though, apart from Dariusz Michalczewski there wasn't really any fighters in 97-03 that come to mind that could of heightened Roys achievements. Probably should of rematched Hopkins (although it really wouldn't of been neccessary he won a clear UD vs Hopkins the 1st time).

Yea I agree, thinking about it there were not too many fights out there. I think the rematch with Hopkins was necessary as Hopkins in 2002 was clearly a better and more rounded fighter than in 1993. I also think Roy not beating Virgil Hill before Dariusz Michalczewski, and becoming the first man to defeat him in seven years was a huge opportunity missed. So effectively Roy didn't really have a challenge from around 1997 to 2002 and during that time he cleared out the LH Division. Also note that if he had beaten Tarver and Johnson, they would not have done much for his career other because they were only considered very good fighters after they had beaten Roy.

I would just have liked to see Roy's resume to look something like this

James Toney
1993 Bernard Hopkins
Virgil Hill before Michalczewski defeated him
Dariusz Michalczewski
2002 Bernard Hopkins
John Ruiz
Chris Byrd

and then a gamble fight with a dangerous heavweight (Win or loss)

[winac]

a rumor? the official weight was wrong, go watch the documentary
im not making this ****, im not taking it from what other posters have said or some ****

Yea I have seen the documentary where Jones is joking how Ruiz is going to cry when a 200 pound fighter hits him not a 193 pounder but still I would still like to go by the official weight, that will go down in the history book, not rumours.