Frank Warren: Some Interesting Things About Joe Calzaghe

[Kris Silver]

Here's one thing i think about a lot, it's almost sad.

Frank Warren's biggest prize fighters over lets say, the last 15-20 years were

A. Naseem Hamed.

B. Ricky Hatton.

C. Joe Calzaghe.

Like Joe, Naz and Ricky got by on a steady diet of mandatories and sold out arenas around the UK?

Naz and Ricky at different point of there respected careers thought no, i want these fights and i want it on these terms, so they decide to break away from Frank and go it alone.

Is it coincidence that both guys went on to get big fights in the states and both generate themselves a huge wealth AFTER splitting form Frank Warren?

And i also find it hard to believe Joe didn't stand back and watch what these guys went on to do with their careers and think, ''Hold on a minute, these guys are making a fortune and getting big fights, why ain't i?''

I could **** on about this crap for hours, but i found it very odd at why Joe was so loyal to Frank for all them years and then deciding that at the end of his career, he finally wised up and knew it was actually Frank holding him back all along.

It can't just be me thinking about this?

Yeah I agree. Frank's track record on these kind of things is pretty bad. Neither Ricky or Naz think particularly favourably of him either since there issues, and would probably make some of the same complaints. So there's a lot of weight there as opposed to Frank again bringing up excuses. Saying we were always going to pay you, and trying to make his old fighter look bad, on losing a court case and being exposed as ripping the guy off yet again.

I think your right about Joe, infact he said as much in some video interviews I'm sure. Something along the lines of Ricky getting some big pay days, yet him being the better and higher p4p fighter and not earning as much, or getting as big fights. I think he learnt a lot from Ricky actually, in terms of what Ricky stood for (against Frank) going out there and making some fights in America, as is sometimes inevitable to really hit the big time.

Joe was probably naive for awhile, but was obviously pressured into some deals with Frank, trusted him, and valued the fact Frank did get him a title shot and loads of fights when he was broke, earning him an ok wager. Loyalty can sometimes hold you back though, as most ex Warren fighters have learnt. Warren also seems to be acting su****iously god like about Amir at the moment in video interviews, saying ultimately it's what he wants, I'll get him the title fight. He never said **** like that before, he realises he looks bad on those fronts and is trying to appear whiter then white. The guys shrewd. Let's not get started on yet another fighters views on Frank....one Mr Haye.

[Technical_Skill]

At least they tried. Fighting the best should be respected,

Of course! Just noting the parallels, they also both went to america and risked their 0's against modern day legends in their prime.

The reality is, ricky hatton could have stayed in england with that IBF/WBU beating paulie's and n'dou's for the rest of his career, claimed mayweather dodged him at 140 and not fought him and been undefeated too. Then retired and called himself one of the greats

[Kris Silver]

Of course! Just noting the parallels, they also both went to america and risked their 0's against modern day legends in their prime.

The reality is, ricky hatton could have stayed in england with that IBF/WBU beating paulie's and n'dou's for the rest of his career, claimed mayweather dodged him at 140 and not fought him and been undefeated too. Then retired and called himself one of the greats

That's a poor and cynical parallel dude.

Calzaghe persistently called out the #1 in Hopkins when he was a MW, Calzaghe signed to fight him, Hopkins doubled his purse last minute to get out of the fight, then accepted less for a much lesser fighter.

Then Hops skipped SMW, and Calzaghe still chased him, and eventually managed to get him in the ring.

[Chunk..]

Of course! Just noting the parallels, they also both went to america and risked their 0's against modern day legends in their prime.

The reality is, ricky hatton could have stayed in england with that IBF/WBU beating paulie's and n'dou's for the rest of his career, claimed mayweather dodged him at 140 and not fought him and been undefeated too. Then retired and called himself one of the greats

Ricky gets a lot of heat on here about not being very good blah blah, but he's one of, if not the biggest draw in boxing. He's making millions and fighting the best fighters out there.

He's a winner if you ask me?

[Technical_Skill]

That's a poor and cynical parallel dude.

Calzaghe persistently called out the #1 in Hopkins when he was a MW, Calzaghe signed to fight him, Hopkins doubled his purse last minute to get out of the fight, then accepted less for a much lesser fighter.

Then Hops skipped SMW, and Calzaghe still chased him, and eventually managed to get him in the ring.

So that's a very poor parallel, in fact invalid almost.

1st paragraph I was talking about the Paralells between ricky and Naz.

In regards to the second paragraph, its true, ricky could have done that and achieved legendary status. And I think the problem hopkins had with calzaghe was the fact that calzaghe wasnt willing to come to america was he?

You can believe what you want, I dont think Hopkins got scared of calzaghe's skills, and bottled it, then waited till he was 43 years old to make the fight happen.

Anyways, its been done to death.

Fact is, Joe didnt fight any legends in their prime.

[Kris Silver]

1st paragraph I was talking about the Paralells between ricky and Naz.

In regards to the second paragraph, its true, ricky could have done that and achieved legendary status. And I think the problem hopkins had with calzaghe was the fact that calzaghe wasnt willing to come to america was he?

You can believe what you want, I dont think Hopkins got scared of calzaghe's skills, and bottled it, then waited till he was 43 years old to make the fight happen.

Anyways, its been done to death.

Fact is, Joe didnt fight any legends in their prime.

Ricky and Joe both called out the top guy.

Both got signed.

Ricky's went ahead, Calzaghe's didn't.

Difference is Calzaghe woulda stood a better chance then Ricky too.

I respect both guys and don't blame either too heavily, for how things turned out for them.

I think if you reversed it, there's a good chance Calzaghe woulda beaten a prime Hopkins, and Ricky would still be undefeated. Better for both.

[Porter's Dad]

1st paragraph I was talking about the Paralells between ricky and Naz.

In regards to the second paragraph, its true, ricky could have done that and achieved legendary status. And I think the problem hopkins had with calzaghe was the fact that calzaghe wasnt willing to come to america was he?

You can believe what you want, I dont think Hopkins got scared of calzaghe's skills, and bottled it, then waited till he was 43 years old to make the fight happen.

Anyways, its been done to death.

Fact is, Joe didnt fight any legends in their prime.

Forget legends, I don't think he ever fought a GREAT fighter in his prime.

His best win is Kessler, who while a good fighter, has a garbage resume and seems to be pissng his career away.

The Joke groupies better pray that Kessler amounts to something more, or Slappy's resume will look progressively worse.

[Technical_Skill]

Ricky and Joe both called out the top guy.

Both got signed.

Ricky's went ahead, Calzaghe's didn't.

Difference is Calzaghe woulda stood a better chance then Ricky too.

I respect both guys and don't blame either too heavily, for how things turned out for them. There's lots more to it.

Good for you mate.

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[Dirk Diggler UK]

Yes mate, thats why I posted this.

If you looked anything like that, I might give you more time of day.

[Technical_Skill]

If you looked anything like that, I might give you more time of day.

An hour or two and that's all you came up with up with?

Timing is everything, didnt your wife tell you that last night?