Toney has no Power at HW.

**TheGreat1** · 09-24-2004, 05:44 AM

Originally posted by semjasa

Toney still punches like a middle weight, he will never be a major HW player.....

he put Holyfield down, something alot of HW could not do, even the champ Bryd. he can always just outbox the HW's

**Dr Cynical** · 09-24-2004, 05:47 AM

Originally posted by TheGreat1

he put Holyfield down, something alot of HW could not do, even the champ Bryd. he can always just outbox the HW's

Take into mind Holyfield's age and diminished abilities.

Also I don't think Toney will be able to go the full 12 with any of today's heavyweights.
He can try to outbox them but won't get far.
He will be put down.

**FibreOptic** · 09-24-2004, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by TheGreat1

he put Holyfield down, something alot of HW could not do, even the champ Bryd. he can always just outbox the HW's

It seemed like Holyfield went down more on a slip.

**mic573** · 09-24-2004, 08:37 AM

I think Toney hits sharp and hard enough to hurt his opponents but he won't hurt the big heavyweights with better chins.

**Explosivo** · 09-24-2004, 09:17 AM

Just like I said in another thread. You people who say Toney has no power at heavy are way off base. He did KO Evander, we know that. I think you people are making that assumption after watching Toney fight Booker and not KOing him right? Well idiots, who else has KOed Booker? He has never lost a fight, therefore never KOed! Do you guys understand that? Look at Vitali, Byrd or Ruiz' record and find a guy they didnt KO. If someone else was able to KO that guy, then they must be weak and have no power too. Thats your ridiculous argument. Toney didnt KO Booker so he must be weak. LOL!

**spinksjinx** · 09-24-2004, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by Dr_Cynical

Take into mind Holyfield's age and diminished abilities.

Also I don't think Toney will be able to go the full 12 with any of today's heavyweights.
He can try to outbox them but won't get far.
He will be put down.

If a fighter has a rock solid granite chin in the beginning, they will carry that until the end....People say power is the last thing to go no it is your ability to take a punch...

**mic573** · 09-24-2004, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by explosivo420sd

Just like I said in another thread. You people who say Toney has no power at heavy are way off base. He did KO Evander, we know that. I think you people are making that assumption after watching Toney fight Booker and not KOing him right? Well idiots, who else has KOed Booker? He has never lost a fight, therefore never KOed! Do you guys understand that? Look at Vitali, Byrd or Ruiz' record and find a guy they didnt KO. If someone else was able to KO that guy, then they must be weak and have no power too. Thats your ridiculous argument. Toney didnt KO Booker so he must be weak. LOL!

I said earlier that Toney has enough power to hurt his opponents but I don't think he will hurt the bigger heavyweights with good chins. Do you think Toney will hurt Vitaly? You're right nobody KO'd Booker. If they did he wouldn't have been undefeated. Look at Booker's record those guys were not going to knock him out. His 22-0 record was deceiving. You know the reason why Toney took this fight whether you admit it or not. There was absolutely no danger. Yeah he was coming off an injury but they tried to pass off Booker as some good young fighter when in reality he is not. I'm not going to knock Toney for not stopping Booker but it is true he doesn't have good enough power to hurt the bigger heavyweights. They said he hurt his left arm and I believe them because they were holding an icepack on it between rounds.

**Explosivo** · 09-24-2004, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by mic573

I said earlier that Toney has enough power to hurt his opponents but I don't think he will hurt the bigger heavyweights with good chins. Do you think Toney will hurt Vitaly? You're right nobody KO'd Booker. If they did he wouldn't have been undefeated. Look at Booker's record those guys were not going to knock him out. His 22-0 record was deceiving. You know the reason why Toney took this fight whether you admit it or not. There was absolutely no danger. Yeah he was coming off an injury but they tried to pass off Booker as some good young fighter when in reality he is not. I'm not going to knock Toney for not stopping Booker but it is true he doesn't have good enough power to hurt the bigger heavyweights. They said he hurt his left arm and I believe them because they were holding an icepack on it between rounds.

I dont know if Toney will KO bigger guys with great chins becuase he hasnt fought one yet. If he does KO a bigger guy It hink its from rounds of punishment and they guy cant take it anymore. I agree that I dont see too many 1 punch KO's from Toney at heavy.

I agree that Toney knew he could beat Booker and thats why he took the fight. I disagree that Booker is a complete bum and he proved that he wasnt last night. What I do have a problem with is the people who are so sure James has no power and they use this fight against Booker as an example. That is rediculous and you being a reasonable person probably agree with me. You cant use a guy who hasnt been KOed as your example of why Toney's weak because he didnt KO his opponent. Yes Toney beat an old Holyfield, but his chin wasnt old. He could still take a punch when toney fought him. To the best of my knowledge, only 1 other perspn has been able to KO Evander.

**mic573** · 09-24-2004, 09:54 AM

I agree Booker proved he is tough. I think if he does KO his opponents at heavyweight it would be from an a rounds of punishment never from one punch. That is the way he KO'd Holyfield. He was too fast and used great defense in that fight. I think that his defense will help him more than anything against the bigger guys.

Toney has no Power at HW.