How good of a win was Calzaghe's win over Kessler

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  • number6
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    #31
    Originally posted by QuCongee
    Dude, before Calzaghe, he cleaned the canvas with Andrade and Mundine and easily knocked out Beyer. How is that not proving yourself?
    To add to your point, before the two fought, many people on here were saying that Kessler had a better resume than Calzaghe.

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    • QuCongee
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      #32
      Originally posted by BattlingNelson
      Link please.
      I'm surprised you never heard it from the horses mouth, since you have such strong opinions about it.

      0:45 - 1:10

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        #33
        Originally posted by QuCongee
        I'm surprised you never heard it from the horses mouth, since you have such strong opinions about it.

        0:45 - 1:10
        Check the date. It was before the fight. Obviously he'd deny. Why should he give away?

        Check this. Boxingscenes own reporter gets a straight answer from the horses mouth:

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          #34
          Very good win. What else can I say. 39-0, double world champion, fought some solid opposition, big at 6'1", fast, hard-hitting, ultra clean boxing technique, rarely will you see him clinch, nice guy, came to fight Joe in his own back yard with a bad hand (or maybe not), has a good tattoo, rides motorbikes, is under-appreciated by anyone who doesn't like Joe Calzaghe. Top dude.



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          Last edited by S A M U R A I; 03-13-2009, 06:56 PM.

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            #35
            Originally posted by BattlingNelson
            Check the date. It was before the fight. Obviously he'd deny. Why should he give away?
            I knew you would say that but he was consistent before and after the fight. Never once did he say "btw my hand actually was hurt but i did'nt wanna give that away."

            His hand was fine. He was throwing it often and with full power.

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            Nowhere in your link does Kessler say one word about the condition of his hand vs Joe. It says he showed a surgery scar that we all knew he had. That surgery was from long before he fought Calzaghe.
            Last edited by QuCongee; 03-13-2009, 06:52 PM.

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              #36
              Originally posted by BattlingNelson
              How can it be unprofessional? He couldn't spar because the last 2-3 weeks because of the hand. He went on with the fight for fear of Warren calling it off instead of postponement. He had beaten Mundine with a bad back so he probably still fancied his chances and according to himself his hand was 'prepared' (likely sedated) so that it didn't give him problems in the fight. Any fighter would tell you that losing the last couple of weeks sparring is a major handicap as that is where you get the best work. Bear in mind also that Kessler is a sparring freak who spars 120+ rounds before the big fights. He hardly got any for Calzaghe.



              Link please.
              Yesterday Kessler, who has a history of hand, elbow and back injuries, was keen to deny rumours that he had suffered a hand injury that had stopped him sparring.

              “I have had a good four months of training, there is no injury,” he said. “The worst thing I had was a sore throat which stopped me training for two days.”
              (The Times)

              Originally posted by PunchDrunk
              Kessler denies it in the Danish press today, saying "where the hell do they come up with this? It's not true at all, and I'll be happy to bring a heavy bag to thursdays press conference and show them there's no truth to it."
              Youtube interview in which he denies it.

              He also denied it in his interview just after the fight.

              Lots of similar quotes.

              And he didn't fight like someone with a broken hand.

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                #37
                Originally posted by QuCongee
                I knew you would say that but he was consistent before and after the fight. Never once did he say "btw my hand actually was hurt but i did'nt wanna give that away."

                His hand was fine. He was throwing it often and with full power.

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                Nowhere in your link does Kessler say one word about the condition of his hand vs Joe. It says he showed a surgery scar that we all knew he had. That surgery was from long before he fought Calzaghe.
                He didn't say because he wouldnt take anything away from Joe. He's a nice guy. For real.

                The hand was likely numbed in the fight so he could throw it with force and he said that it didn't give him problems in the fight itself.

                Here's an interview in danish translated by google so it's not that great but I think you get the picture:

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                  #38
                  He was very firm in saying he was in good shape, infact better shape than his previous fight, with no serious injuries or anything.

                  If he had a problem he'd quite likely admit it a little as many do, and at most cover it up say it's ok though, play it down. But to completely deny it, say your sparring regularly, very confident, is just another matter and a tad less credible.

                  I've also not seen quotes from Kessler firmly saying the hand was a major reason why he lost. All of that has been said by others.

                  Sparring is important, and so is a good hand? Well Calzaghe routinely hurt his hands meaning he couldn't get much sparring, land hard and flush and struggle with it pre fight, and even a break during leaving him winning still one handed. So have others, heck Abraham broke his jaw.

                  Kessler hasn't convincingly cited the hand as a main and major reason for him losing that fight, he landed flush ok, and said he was fine and it was him not having back up plans and tactics as to why he lost.

                  I'm not saying there wasn't some issues there, but it wasn't that bad or big a factor.
                  Last edited by Kris Silver; 03-13-2009, 07:04 PM.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Dave Rado
                    Yesterday Kessler, who has a history of hand, elbow and back injuries, was keen to deny rumours that he had suffered a hand injury that had stopped him sparring.

                    “I have had a good four months of training, there is no injury,” he said. “The worst thing I had was a sore throat which stopped me training for two days.”
                    (The Times)



                    Youtube interview in which he denies it.

                    He also denied it in his interview just after the fight.

                    Lots of similar quotes.

                    And he didn't fight like someone with a broken hand.
                    Originally posted by KrisSilver
                    He was very firm in saying he was in good shape, infact better shape than his previous fight, with no serious injuries or anything.

                    If he had a problem he'd quite likely admit it a little as many do, and at most cover it up say it's ok though, play it down. But to completely deny it, say your sparring regularly, very confident, is just another matter and a tad less credible.

                    I've also not seen quotes from Kessler firmly saying the hand was a major reason why he lost. All of that has been said by others.

                    Sparring is important, and so is a good hand? Well Calzaghe routinely hurt his hands meaning he couldn't get much sparring, land hard and flush and struggle with the pain in and post fight, and break his hand in fight leaving him to win with one. So have others, heck Abraham broke his jaw.

                    Kessler hasn't convincingly cited the hand as a main and major reason for him losing that fight, he landed flush ok, and said he was fine and it was him not having back up plans and tactics as to why he lost.
                    Please read the links I posted.

                    Kris: Yeah. Tactics was wrong (relied to much on power) and the hand was bad. That's his explanations.

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                    • QuCongee
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by BattlingNelson
                      He didn't say because he wouldnt take anything away from Joe. He's a nice guy. For real.
                      I'm sure he's a nice guy but you seem to be inventing strange and exotic reasons why what Kessler himself said, is'nt true.

                      All I can comment on is what I know for a fact. What I know for a fact is that Kessler said his hand was fine. Besides, did you detect any hand problems in the fight? I sure did'nt.

                      Originally posted by BattlingNelson
                      Please read the links I posted.
                      In the link you posted, Kessler does'nt say a single word about the condition of his hand vs Calzaghe. In the video I posted, he does.

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