Bute vs. Zuniga is Fueled By Referee Controversy

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  • Kesslerfan#1
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    #11
    Kessler would Wip Bute's ass...hes running scared...he was exposed by Andrade.

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    • actionjackson
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      #12
      Bute will win easy nomatter the ref. The last fight is was up at 7, not 20.

      After this fight, bigger fights will be made (Kessler, Taylor, Lacy, Green, Andrade II have all been mentioned by Bute's promoter)

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      • deuce_drop
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        #13
        Originally posted by Ravens Fan
        I really don't understand how everyone is stating that the ref gave Bute the hometown advantage. During the 12th round as Librado clearly was hurting Bute the ref never let Bute clinch when he was so desperately trying to hang on. Every time Bute rapped Librado up the ref stepped between them. Now,as far as the knockdown is concerned.

        When Bute went down there was a whole four seconds left in the fight and the bell did not sound until more then twenty seconds later. Now I know no fighter can be saved by the bell but does that mean the round is extended until the end of the count or that the fighter just has to stand and beat the count regardless if the bell rings or not? I have to be honest I could not see if Librado was in the neutral corner or not, but the ref seemed to think he was not and if so he was violating the rules and the ref had every right to stop the count and pick it up were it ended when the fighter complies with the rules, as the rules state. And that is what I saw, the ref looked at the time keeper to get the count and he started the count at six were he had left off to confront Librado. Just as I have seen many times before as per the rules. Bute was standing well before the original count would have ended and there would have been no time left in the round for Librado to even get another shot off, regardless of how long the count was. So, I believe there really was no controversial ending. The only thing I think the ref did not do was call Bute to him and ask him to hold up his gloves but by then the round should have been over and Bute had already beat the count. In my humble opinion it was much to do about nothing.
        the ref let bute hold the whole fight, and didn't tell him to stop holding until the end of the 11th round. the whole fight the ref always warned andrade of every little thing, while bute excessively held and got away with whatever he wanted to do in the ring. then with the ref stopping the count to yell at andrade when he was nowhere near out of his corner to where he could jump right on top of his opponent. the ref did that to stall because he saw that the hometown boy was ko'd. bute goes down the count starts, the time keeper starts the count and keeps the count going officially until the ref either stops counting and lets the fight continue or he waives it off. now, when bute hit the canvas, the count starts, then the ref picks it up, then he stops counting, but THE CLOCK IS STILL TICKING, just because the ref stops counting doesn't mean the count stops, IF THAT WAS THE CASE THEN THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THE TIME KEEPER START THE COUNT AS SOON AS A FIGHTER HITS THE CANVAS, the ref would start the count whenever he felt like it, that is why they have the time keeper start the count so it would be fair! now, how does the count get stopped half way through, left off at six, THEN, four to six seconds wasted yelling at andrade for no reason, THEN, pick the count back up at SIX!!!!!! all the while the official count, held by the time keeper, should've been still counting, and when you add it all up, bute ended up an extremely long count, and besides that, even with no time left, the ref is to waive off a fight if the fighter can not continue, and there was no way bute could've lasted one more second in that fight without the help from the ref. it was a total home cooked win for bute.

        that ref should be suspended for his incompetence and is obvious bias for one fighter over another, when his main objective is to make sure the fight is fair and the fighters safety. if you think about it, the ref is next to an assassin just like a poor judge, assassinating a persons career and livelihood.
        even more to that, i would suspend the ref if i was one who hired him to favor the hometown fight, suspend him or put him low on the list for doing such an attention getting hack job. it was just as bad as the ref in the courtney burton vs emmanuel augusutus first fight.

        that ref is a hack, and bute knows he got away with a enormous gift.
        Last edited by deuce_drop; 03-11-2009, 02:36 AM.

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        • Down4TheCount
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          #14
          some of you are ridiculous , watch the round at least before you comment on how he got a 20 second count and should have lost the fight .



          anyone with ten fingers can count and see he was up AT MOST by 8 .

          he won the fight on points even with the knockdown , got up before 10 and therefore won the fight fair and square as time then expired .

          bute better not gas like that again or maybe next time his ass wont make it

          the only arguement one could make is that had the ref not acted ******ed there would have been between 3-6 secs left on the clock in wich andrade maybe could have used to finish bute . but u cant really assume something like that
          Last edited by Down4TheCount; 03-11-2009, 04:00 AM.

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          • ssop
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            #15
            Bute

            Only Kessler could beat Bute.Bute had won 10 rounds againts Andrade and he fell at 7 seconds of the end and got up.In that division Bute and Kessler are the best.

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            • -Boxzilla-
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              #16
              i think bute is the 2nd best smw as well ... actually i've been watching his older fights and i;m real impressed by him ... he has to improve his inside fighting and stamina, but hes an excellent fighter imo.

              wright is a pos ref and zuniga's complaints are justified but he had a long time to bring this up ... why would he do this 2-3 days before the bout
              Last edited by -Boxzilla-; 03-11-2009, 07:24 AM.

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              • ChInGo_BlInG
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                That’s about right... they will steal the fight from him like they did to Librado... any one with common sense should be able to see the injustice that happened that night in Canada. The Ref counted the same number twice and he even stopped counting and was telling Librado to go to a neutral corner when Librado was already their. The count was around 20secs. Also if just about every one that saw the fight agrees that the ref was bias, it must be for a reason.

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                • Ravens Fan
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                  Originally posted by deuce_drop
                  the ref let bute hold the whole fight, and didn't tell him to stop holding until the end of the 11th round. the whole fight the ref always warned andrade of every little thing, while bute excessively held and got away with whatever he wanted to do in the ring. then with the ref stopping the count to yell at andrade when he was nowhere near out of his corner to where he could jump right on top of his opponent. the ref did that to stall because he saw that the hometown boy was ko'd. bute goes down the count starts, the time keeper starts the count and keeps the count going officially until the ref either stops counting and lets the fight continue or he waives it off. now, when bute hit the canvas, the count starts, then the ref picks it up, then he stops counting, but THE CLOCK IS STILL TICKING, just because the ref stops counting doesn't mean the count stops, IF THAT WAS THE CASE THEN THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THE TIME KEEPER START THE COUNT AS SOON AS A FIGHTER HITS THE CANVAS, the ref would start the count whenever he felt like it, that is why they have the time keeper start the count so it would be fair! now, how does the count get stopped half way through, left off at six, THEN, four to six seconds wasted yelling at andrade for no reason, THEN, pick the count back up at SIX!!!!!! all the while the official count, held by the time keeper, should've been still counting, and when you add it all up, bute ended up an extremely long count, and besides that, even with no time left, the ref is to waive off a fight if the fighter can not continue, and there was no way bute could've lasted one more second in that fight without the help from the ref. it was a total home cooked win for bute.

                  that ref should be suspended for his incompetence and is obvious bias for one fighter over another, when his main objective is to make sure the fight is fair and the fighters safety. if you think about it, the ref is next to an assassin just like a poor judge, assassinating a persons career and livelihood.
                  even more to that, i would suspend the ref if i was one who hired him to favor the hometown fight, suspend him or put him low on the list for doing such an attention getting hack job. it was just as bad as the ref in the courtney burton vs emmanuel augusutus first fight.

                  that ref is a hack, and bute knows he got away with a enormous gift.
                  I have looked at the fight several times and unless you were actually at the fight I don't understand how you could possibly know if Librado was actually in the corner. Simply because the camera was never on Librado so if I did not see it and you were not in Montreal how did you see it? Your argument also has a gigantic hole in it because apparently you do not know or understand the rules of boxing.

                  Neutral Corner Rule- "When a contestant is down, his opponent shall retire to the farthest neutral corner and remain there until the count is completed. Should he fail to do so, the referee and the time keeper may cease counting until he has so retired."

                  Also, anyway you want to look at it, count it or what ever you want to do, Bute dominated the fight until the last round and went down with three or four seconds left in the fight. Bute was up before the count of eight and the round was well over by then. Even the announcer said "We could have a new champion if he does not beat the count." Well guess what? Regardless if the ref had stopped the bout for three seconds or three hours Bute was standing before the original count of eight and beat the count of ten, and that is all he had to do round over Bute wins. As I already stated there was no controversy and the only thing Librado could have hoped for was knocking Bute down thirty seconds earlier.
                  Last edited by Ravens Fan; 03-11-2009, 10:53 AM.

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                  • mrlopez
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                    #19
                    Unfortunately ref Marlon Wright is the only IBF sanctioned referee in Montreal, so i doubt he will be replaced. As for the 3 judges being canadian, i'd be pissed off too.....i'd demand that at least 2 be replaced....
                    Wright is a horrible judge whos very bias, he let bute do all kinds of **** in the andrade fight but always warned andrade for minimal things he was doing....

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                    • mrlopez
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Ravens Fan
                      Also, anyway you want to look at it, count it or what ever you want to do, Bute dominated the fight until the last round and went down with three or four seconds left in the fight. Bute was up before the count of eight and the round was well over by then. Even the announcer said "We could have a new champion if he does not beat the count." Well guess what? Regardless if the ref had stopped the bout for three seconds or three hours Bute was standing before the original count of eight and beat the count of ten, and that is all he had to do round over Bute wins. As I already stated there was no controversy and the only thing Librado could have hoped for was knocking Bute down thirty seconds earlier.
                      Bute MIGHT have been up at 9 but he was on unsteady legs and the fight should have been waved off with Andrade being crowned new champ. He was saved by the bell...the fact that wright allowed bute to hold all night also speaks volumes because he warned andrade for the smallest infractions he did in the ring....Bute is wack and hope he gets KTFO by zuniga

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