Cuban boxers

Collapse
Collapse
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • stu
    Contender
    • May 2004
    • 113
    • 5
    • 0
    • 6,590

    #1

    Cuban boxers

    Excuse my ignorance, but what is the reason why Cuban boxers do not turn professional?

    Also, if they had have done, how succesful do you think the likes of Savon, Stevenson and Kindelan would have been?
  • AJ53
    Contender
    Silver Champion - 100-500 posts
    • Sep 2004
    • 370
    • 35
    • 71
    • 6,780

    #2
    Originally posted by stu
    Excuse my ignorance, but what is the reason why Cuban boxers do not turn professional?

    Also, if they had have done, how succesful do you think the likes of Savon, Stevenson and Kindelan would have been?
    they dont turn pro because prize fighting is banned in cuba.
    thats why there amatuers are so good.
    if you wanna turn pro they have to defect ala casamayor.
    i personally think think this is a robbery to the sport

    Comment

    • stu
      Contender
      • May 2004
      • 113
      • 5
      • 0
      • 6,590

      #3
      I have got to agree. Just watching the last Olympics I was impressed with the grace and style of the vast majority of the Cubans and was thinking to myself how good it would be to see them turn professional.

      Comment

      • triggerhappy
        Banned
        Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
        • Jul 2004
        • 1043
        • 96
        • 7
        • 1,555

        #4
        they smoke to many cuban cigars

        Comment

        • whdempsey
          Only John Wayne Around
          Gold Champion - 500-1,000 posts
          • May 2004
          • 878
          • 56
          • 68
          • 6,951

          #5
          Because Cuba is a Communist country, and the party line is that sports' rewards is enjoyment, not money.

          Historically, Cubans have been very good fighters, butover the past ten or so years the best has been Joel Casamayor. There are a few possible reasons that a country of such good repute has put forth so few champions in the recent past. One idea is that living the American life is too easy and they lose discipline. Ramon Garbey is a good example of this.

          Another possibility is that Cuba's amateur program does not translate into good pros because it's a different game. Ever since the eighties the most important thing in the amateur game has been to land quick punches one at a time(too make sure each is counted) for just eight minutes. The ideal boxer for such a system would be fundamentally at odds with the pro sport. I think that Savon and Stevenson, and especially Stevenson, would have made good pros. Stevenson predated the current scoring system, and heavyweights will always transition more easily into the pro ranks than other fighters. The extreme emphasis on power in the heavyweight class makes this true. Kindelan would not have done so well.
          Last edited by whdempsey; 11-11-2004, 05:35 PM.

          Comment

          • Deejay
            Contender
            Silver Champion - 100-500 posts
            • Nov 2004
            • 167
            • 7
            • 4
            • 6,430

            #6
            Cuba is a communist country where prize fighting is banned. I believe cuba would have a host of world champions if they were allowed to turn pro. I say this because I think boxing is almost a tradition in that country almost like soccer is to Brazil. Watching Kindelan dismantle everyone at the Olympics was great to watch in terms of pure boxing skill. Savon could also have dominated the heavyweight devision easily. Don King offered him $10 million to sign with him and Savon just replied "What is $10 million compared with the love of 10 million cubans" which I thought was a great quote. It is such a pity that the only time we really get to see them is at the olympics.

            Comment

            • THRILLAinmanila
              BoxingScene Tycoon
              Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
              • Oct 2004
              • 4182
              • 401
              • 606
              • 12,728

              #7
              If Cubans were allowed to turn pro, I'd say they'll have at least 3 world champions in different divisions right now. But if you've seen how their fighters fared in the past Olympics, man they are deep in a LOT of divisions.

              Comment

              • Carlos Semanat
                Amateur
                Interim Champion - 1-100 posts
                • Jan 2006
                • 1
                • 0
                • 0
                • 6,229

                #8
                Originally posted by AJ53
                they dont turn pro because prize fighting is banned in cuba.
                thats why there amatuers are so good.
                if you wanna turn pro they have to defect ala casamayor.
                i personally think think this is a robbery to the sport
                Unfortunetly for you I'am Cuban and I participated in the cuban boxing. Pro Boxing or prize fighting like most would call it is turned down by most if not all cubans do to the reason that we considere it Violent. It's not true to the sport, the Object of the game per say is to anialate your oponent. In cuban boxing or "Amateur Boxing" the objective is to beat your oponent by tactics,the trhill of the competition, love of the sport. When I watch pro boxing, it seems to me that they dont care about the sport just about the money.If they KILL the oponent "Oh Well" Amateur boxers are so good because they love the sport, no body is getting paid to box.
                I read a thread that said that it is a robbery to the sport, in the contrary, as a matter of fact it keeps boxers learn to respect the game.
                In cuba if a boxer is disrespectful off and/or on the ring he can not compete.
                How many times have you seen this pro boxers act like idiots, but guess what , THERE PRIZE GOES UP!!!!
                Its hard to answer the Question if cuban boxers would have been good at the pro level, Why? Because all the great ones would not have done it.
                In 1976 $5 million was offered to Stevenson 81k Cuban Boxer to fight pro. HE said: "no gracias, mi deporte es el amateo"

                FOOD FOR THOUGHT

                Comment

                • MISTA_SANDMAN
                  Contender
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 256
                  • 19
                  • 0
                  • 6,527

                  #9
                  Good feedback----- I just learned something new---- But they would be a force to reckon with-- Cubans and Puertoricans are almost identicle and look how many superior Puertorican boxers there have been-------
                  Originally posted by Carlos Semanat
                  Unfortunetly for you I'am Cuban and I participated in the cuban boxing. Pro Boxing or prize fighting like most would call it is turned down by most if not all cubans do to the reason that we considere it Violent. It's not true to the sport, the Object of the game per say is to anialate your oponent. In cuban boxing or "Amateur Boxing" the objective is to beat your oponent by tactics,the trhill of the competition, love of the sport. When I watch pro boxing, it seems to me that they dont care about the sport just about the money.If they KILL the oponent "Oh Well" Amateur boxers are so good because they love the sport, no body is getting paid to box.
                  I read a thread that said that it is a robbery to the sport, in the contrary, as a matter of fact it keeps boxers learn to respect the game.
                  In cuba if a boxer is disrespectful off and/or on the ring he can not compete.
                  How many times have you seen this pro boxers act like idiots, but guess what , THERE PRIZE GOES UP!!!!
                  Its hard to answer the Question if cuban boxers would have been good at the pro level, Why? Because all the great ones would not have done it.
                  In 1976 $5 million was offered to Stevenson 81k Cuban Boxer to fight pro. HE said: "no gracias, mi deporte es el amateo"

                  FOOD FOR THOUGHT

                  Comment

                  Working...
                  TOP