Marquez Is Still Undefeated

[Tha_Greatest]

Why wont you respond to him? He's making you look like a complete *****.

to me its not about that, he called ,me a *****, hes getting angry and is resorting to cursing,


honestly, i just want to know what he thinks as a normal unbiased fan,


IWatch, im asking you this seriously, rank your top 15 pr fighters and mexican fighters in one list, i aint wanting to get in argument or discussion, i just want to know how biased you are, the best way to do this is by making your top 15 in one list(mex and PRs)

[strugler]

Don't get me wrong I wouldn't mind seeing it either, its just I think Manny should settle things with Marquez and Cotto with the WW division.

Ok. Personally atleast if pac gets pass hatton which is a tough fight for him, i want him to fight PBF and cotto.jmm being the last. Why? Bacause if JMM wins the score will be 1-1-1 atl east officially, then what? do we need a fourth fight right after?

[IwatchBoxing]

Rank them

Carlos Ortiz
Wilfred Benitez
Wilfredo Gomez
Jose Torres
Sixto escobar
pedro montanez
Jose Basora
esteban de jesus
Felix Trinidad
Alfredo Escalera
Hector Camacho
Carlos De Leon
juan laporte

Julio Cesar Chavez
Oscar De La Hoya
Ruben something
Salvador Sanchez
Carlos Zarate
Erick Morales
Antonio Barrera

[strugler]

Rank them

Carlos Ortiz
Wilfred Benitez
Wilfredo Gomez
Jose Torres
Sixto escobar
pedro montanez
Jose Basora
esteban de jesus
Felix Trinidad
Alfredo Escalera
Hector Camacho
Carlos De Leon
juan laporte

Julio Cesar Chavez
Oscar De La Hoya
Ruben something Salvador Sanchez
Carlos Zarate
Erick Morales
Antonio Barrera

Olivarez i think.

[IwatchBoxing]

I belive ESPN

. Julio Cesar Chavez - Widely regarded as the greatest Mexican fighter of all-time, although old timers will debate you on that. They favor Olivares, Miguel Canto or maybe even Sanchez. Whatever they think, Chavez won world titles at 130, 135 and three times at 140 and retired with a record of 108-6-2 with 87 KOs. He was unbeaten in his first 91 fights (although a draw to Pernell Whitaker was a gift) before Frankie Randall beat him by well deserved split decision. One of his greatest performances was his last-second stoppage of Meldrick Taylor on March 17, 1990, a brilliant and brutal night in which Taylor administered a boxing lesson but took a beating from which he never fully recovered. Chavez used suffocating pressure, body punching and crushing right hands to wear men down and beat them up. He was 88-0 when he and Whitaker fought in San Antonio. He was a lesser fighter after that but he was also 31 and a veteran of an inordinate amount of ring wars. It will take a lot for someone to remove him out of this No. 1 ranking.

2. Ruben Olivares - One of the two or three best bantamweights ever to fight, Olivares held that title through two reigns between 1969-72 before moving up to twice win the WBC featherweight title. A powerful puncher, Olivares won his first 60 fights, 55 by knockout on the way to posting a record of 88-13-3 (78 KO). Perhaps no 118 pounder ever punched harder than Olivares. He could box but most often chose not to, relying instead on a shot to the liver and a menacing style that was all about coming forward. Classic Mexican brawler, Olivares was loved by Mexican fight fans. His three wars with Bobby Chacon are typical of why.

3. Salvador Sanchez - Sanchez (44-1-1) never lost a title fight and defeated a roster of top opponents like Danny Lopez (twice), Azumah Nelson, Wilfredo Gomez, Juan LaPorte and Ruben Castillo before dying at 23 in a car wreck. He had made nine successful defenses of the featherweight title at the time of his death. Sanchez was not the typical Mexican brawler but rather a defensive expert and sharp counter puncher. His greatest night was when he destroyed Gomez, who was 32-0-1 at the time, in eight technically perfect rounds.

4. Miguel Canto - A defensive master, he's the Mexican version of Willie Pep. He successfully defended the flyweight title a record 14 times, winning all but one of those fights by 15-round decision, a record that will never be approached for dominance by virtue of pure boxing skill.

Canto finished 61-9-4 with only 15 knockouts with four of those losses coming at the end of his career and most of the rest in the first two years of it. He was more difficult to hit than Sandy Koufax.

5. Carlos Zarate - Polar opposite of Canto, Zarate was a power puncher locked in a bantamweight's body. Zarate won his first 45 fights, 44 by KO, and retired with a record of 66-4 with 63 knockouts. That's punching power.

He made nine defenses of the bantamweight title in three years, stopping nearly all of the best opposition available to him, making him one of the greatest bantamweights of all-time. Perhaps his greatest moment was knocking out his nemesis of the '70s, Alfonso Zamora, who was 29-0 at the time with 29 knockouts himself, in an over the weight fight. Zarate dropped Zamora three times before stopping him in the fourth round in their April 23, 1977 showdown.

6. Ricardo Lopez - Grossly underrated as De La Hoya says because of his size and the fact promoter Don King kept him hidden behind Chavez for so long.

7. Marco Antonio Barrera - The best Mexican fighter of his era (unless you include Chavez in it). Erik Morales would like to prove otherwise but he's 1-2 against Barrera and the gap between them is widening. Barrera became a complete fighter, rather than just a warrior, after Junior Jones beat him twice. He still loves to brawl but he can box, too. What featherweight of his time was better? A match with Sanchez would have been a Mexican dream fight.

8. Vicente Saldivar - Elected to the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1999, Saldivar finished his career 37-3 with 27 KO, having won the featherweight title in 1964 by upsetting Sugar Ramos. He held that title for four years, including three wins over Howard Winstone during that stretch before retiring after their third fight in 1967. He returned to the ring 21 months later and won the featherweight title a second time in less than a year, although this reign was short-lived.

9. Kid Azteca - A tremendous body puncher whose liver shot Micky Ward would have loved, Azteca went a phenomenal 151-41-8 with 81 KOs during a 29-year career that went from 1932 to 1961, a span of four decades.

10. Jose Becerra - The most popular fighter in Mexico by July 8, 1959 when he stopped bantamweight champion Alphonse Halimi, conqueror of Becerra's idol Raul Macias 21 months earlier, for the first of two times to become world champion. Becerra retired at 24 however with a 71-5-2 record (42 KO) less than a year after killing Walt Ingram in the ring. Because he fought mostly in the '50s he is all but forgotten these days, overshadowed by fighters like Humberto "Chiquita'' Gonzalez or Pipino Cuevas. They were good but his skills exceeded theirs at their best.

[Tha_Greatest]

I see what you are saying, he has posted good stuff, I think he is just doing this to tease Mexicans...and it is easy, but where is the fun in that

i do like the teasing part, if everyone agrees, their would be no discussion threads, he teases fanatical ass mexican fanboys the way i tease fanatical ass floyd fans, i like people giving opinions, thats what i do................................................ .......



this is a thread that happens when you overate someone............read a bit of it(seriously) a funny rediculous thread, the memories(Bautista)

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134382

This is what happens when posters get too emotional and say too much..............more memories(Boof******* talking to much about his wife)

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205380

im serious..........these threads are the path that IWatch is looking to be inbut what saves him is hes not completely overbiased

[LilGizmo562]

i do like the teasing part, if everyone agrees, their would be no discussion threads, he teases fanatical ass mexican fanboys the way i tease fanatical ass floyd fans, i like people giving opinions, thats what i do................................................ .......



this is a thread that happens when you overate someone............read a bit of it(seriously) a funny rediculous thread, the memories(Bautista)

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134382

This is what happens when posters get too emotional and say too much..............more memories(Boof******* talking to much about his wife)

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205380

im serious..........these threads are the path that IWatch is looking to be inbut what saves him is hes not completely overbiased

I know, that why I stop taking it serious after I realized he was joking around.

[LilGizmo562]

Ok. Personally atleast if pac gets pass hatton which is a tough fight for him, i want him to fight PBF and cotto.jmm being the last. Why? Bacause if JMM wins the score will be 1-1-1 atl east officially, then what? do we need a fourth fight right after?

If Marquez wins the 3rd fight, it really depends, what if he retires? what if Manny retires? it all really depends on what they choose to do after the fight, but hey you never know, Izzy and Rafa didn't mind trying to get a 4th fight.

[strugler]

If Marquez wins the 3rd fight, it really depends, what if he retires? what if Manny retires? it all really depends on what they choose to do after the fight, but hey you never know, Izzy and Rafa didn't mind trying to get a 4th fight.

Pac showed interest to fight JMM for the third time.Arum wants cotto next.Who knows whats next, with Margarito out for the year, PBF-JMM rumor floating around.I want a trilogy too just not sure whens the best time.

[rebmogul]

LMAO you f_g. He aint undefeated *******, floyd,s undefeated your gay hero has lossed multiple times.

since gatti , all floyd has taken are easy "sure win" fights. win is your boy gonna let some nuts hang?