Pacquiao-Hatton: How Do You See It Playing Out?

[NakiFan]

I always think it's pointless over-evaluating things, I see Pacquio winning this one, If Hatton wins though it will be the best win by a british fighter ever IMO

[THe TRiNiTY]

Tell me why he didn't ref the Castillo v Hatton fight the same way then? He changed what was and wasn't allowed for the Mayweather fight.

Here's the difference. When you are on the inside, that's fine. Hatton got in on the inside against Castillo, who allowed it to hapen by not fighting it off, or holding. So Hatton was allowed to work. He was working, so the ref had no reason to break them up.

Against Mayweather, when Hatton tried to maul his way in, Mayweather held, he created seperation with his elbows and hit and then got away or just held til the referee seperated the two.

If the ref sees you working on the inside, like Hatton was in the Castillo fight, he'll allow it. If he's not getting anything done, like in the Mayweather fight, he's forced to break it.

That's all there is to that one.

[S A M U R A I]

Good posts, Calderon.



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[S A M U R A I]

I always think it's pointless over-evaluating things...

Yes, but we are boxing nerds, it's what we do.



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Here's the difference. When you are on the inside, that's fine. Hatton got in on the inside against Castillo, who allowed it to hapen by not fighting it off, or holding. So Hatton was allowed to work. He was working, so the ref had no reason to break them up.

Against Mayweather, when Hatton tried to maul his way in, Mayweather held, he created seperation with his elbows and hit and then got away or just held til the referee seperated the two.

If the ref sees you working on the inside, like Hatton was in the Castillo fight, he'll allow it. If he's not getting anything done, like in the Mayweather fight, he's forced to break it.

That's all there is to that one.

Cortez wasn't giving them anytime to do any work he was jumping in and splitting them at the soonest opportunity, he also let Mayweather get away with elbows and ducking below the waist. It was a bad reffing (or biased reffing) IMO. The result of the fight probably wouldn't have changed but he ruined any chance Hatton had.

[MANGLER]

Hatton goes all out right from the start. Pac is able to land enuf shots to knock some respect into him by the 4th. Pac now has the distance he wants cuz Hatton ain't as eager to keep rushin in, and starts to put a whoopin on him. Hatton don't go easy, but gets busted up and stopped before the 11th.

[THe TRiNiTY]

Cortez wasn't giving them anytime to do any work he was jumping in and splitting them at the soonest opportunity, he also let Mayweather get away with elbows and ducking below the waist. It was a bad reffing (or biased reffing) IMO. The result of the fight probably wouldn't have changed but he ruined any chance Hatton had.

Mayweather didn't fight the cleanest fight, however Hatton has a tendancy to hold. I once read somewhere that a good ref, knows how a fighter fights his whole career, not just on that night.

If Hatton holds on a regular basis and does it to tire the guy out, then Cortez has the right to assume that all of a sudden, Hatton isn't going to land a 58 punch combo to the stomach. Nothing in his career would make one assume that.

Usually when he worked on the inside to begin with, he worked his way in AND THEN got other things going.

In the Mayweather fight, he leaped in, usually without punching and then held, trying to jocky for position. That's not effective. He had the right to break them up.

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250281

After watching a couple of Pacquaio and Hatton fights, I notice that Hatton have a huge chance against Pacquaio.

First I notice that Pacquiao, doesnt fair well when people go forward on him and pressures him a bit, he likes to be in control, I notice that in the 2nd fight with JMM and the 2nd fight with MAB. He gets a bit lazy with his right hand, he lowers it and he gets tag with left hands, specially hooks. When he throws his staright left, he always gets off balance and is open for a left hook from a right handed fighter. And he is very open to body punches.

All those flaws that Pacquaio have Ricky can exploit them. He is faster on his feet than pacquaio by far. In the Mayweather fight Hatton was making Floyd fight on the inside and he was, landing his left hook very often, something, I think he will be able to do against Pac, and Hatton is the much bigger and stronger fighter. he was making Floyd look weak in the first half of their fight. I think Pacquiao will have to manage on how to fight on the inside, because Hatton will make Pacquaio fight on the inside, you got to believe that. If he made Mayweather fight his fight, he also can Pac.

Now, some of Rickys flaws Pacquaio can exploit. Hatton doesnt have any type of defense against straight punches, he gets tag too much by left hands, either straight or hooks. He rushes in without throwing jabs, to get to his opponents, wich will be a big mistake against Pac, because Pac have that deadly left hand. And he cuts easy, and Pac cuts people easily.

The one who impose his plan of fighting first and more effectively will win this fight. Either Pacquaio, imposes his side to side and in and out movement and fast combination or Hatton will impose he rough inside fighting, with his body hatton and pressure.

I think that Hatton have a huge chance of pulling the up set, it wont surprise me if he stops Pacquaio himself, early with body shots. he was landing those agaisnt Mayweather and head shots also. I still going to pick Pacquaio by late TKO, but thats not a sure thing like people think it will. Hatton is very very strong and have very quick feet, he can nail Pac.

Pac TKO9

Report Card

Speed
Pacquaio A+ Hatton B+

Defense
Pacquaio B+ Hatton C

Power
Pacquaio B+ Hatton B

Stamina
Pacquaio A+ Hatton A

Footwork
Hatton A Pacquaio A-

Chin
Pacquiao A Hatton B

Strength
Hatton A Pacquaio B+
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[S A M U R A I]

He is faster on his feet than pacquaio by far

It's hard to even read that when there's 3 asses in my face!

Major distraction. But in a nice way.

I completely disagree with the bold red part though. I think you should try to take into account that Pacquiao has shown a lot of improvement in his last couple of fights. His right hand is great, and his mobility is pretty awesome too. Big improvement since JMM II. Those Marquez fights forced Pacquiao to really improve in certain areas. Marquez is the best thing that happened to him, IMO.

Did you watch the Diaz fight? I haven't ever seen hm use the right hand so effectively. He also used it to good effect against Oscar. Also, the types of game plan he (or Roach) came up with for fighting bigger opponents has paid off bigtime because he was forced to keep moving constantly and turning his opponent as to avoid being hit with heavier shots that come with fighting guys in higher divisions.



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[letsgobrady]

Tell me why he didn't ref the Castillo v Hatton fight the same way then? He changed what was and wasn't allowed for the Mayweather fight.

how long was the hatton castillo fight? i also remember cortez givin castillo alot of warnings and deducted a point for what looked like a clean body shot