The validity of "P4P"...

[Butterball]

... I still can't get over how many punks talk about "P4P" as if it's something earned in a ring or actually anything meaningful.

Let's go over it again:


"P4P" is a system of determining which fighters would beat which other fighters if size wasn't a factor based on the hypothetical conjecture of boxing journalists.

It's MADE UP. Obviously it's based on something, but just because Donny Fat Yank in The Ring says that some 3lbs Indonesian could beat the heavyweight champion of the world if he were ten times bigger it doesn't make it so.

And I've lost count of the amount of times I see fighters credited for "beating someone on the P4P list" as if that's an achievement in and of itself.

Has it ever occured to you that the people who drew up that P4P list were wrong? That fighters appear on the list that we find out should never have been on the list at all? And that fighters aren't on the list that should be?


To put this into some perspective, then just a few short weeks ago the top ten P4P fighters in the world included............ Kelly Pavlik.



Now post some replies, the first ten of which will completely misunderstand my point.

[The_One77]

Ofcourse but are you saying a 3rd teir heavyweight should get more recoqnition than Manny Pacquioa just because he can beat him in the ring?

P4P's best represents the boxers who have achieved the most in the ring

[T.Horton]

It's a fun and subjective exercise and I always enjoy reading peoples lists regardless of whether or not I disagree.

[Butterball]

Now post some replies, the first ten of which will completely misunderstand my point.

Ofcourse but are you saying a 3rd teir heavyweight should get more recoqnition than Manny Pacquioa just because he can beat him in the ring?

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[The Surgeon]

Its taken way to serious but its a good bit of fun

[S.G.]

It's a good rough guide as to who are the top fighters in the world at the time

and it's fun to make your own list and all the discussions about it

[Butterball]

Here's another example...

P4P is supposed to be representative of the ten fighters that could beat any other fighters on the planet. Right.

Before he announced his retirement Calzaghe was on the list for over two years straight. So The Ring were acknowledging that he was one of the ten best fighters on the planet. So why wasn't he before?

Now... whether they'd noticed him, he'd proven it, he should have done more, whatever, is IRRELEVANT.

What this says is that by definition the top ten P4P ratings were incorrect before that time because a fighter was out there that should have been on it, we just didn't know it then.



Someone respond to this with stuff like "brit, lamo" and completely misunderstand my point. Thanks.

[Marvelous Floyd]

Here's another example...

P4P is supposed to be representative of the ten fighters that could beat any other fighters on the planet. Right.

Before he announced his retirement Calzaghe was on the list for over two years straight. So The Ring were acknowledging that he was one of the ten best fighters on the planet. So why wasn't he before?

Now... whether they'd noticed him, he'd proven it, he should have done more, whatever, is IRRELEVANT.

What this says is that by definition the top ten P4P ratings were incorrect before that time because a fighter was out there that should have been on it, we just didn't know it then.

Because before 2 years Calzaghe resume was a laughing joke. P4P is based on skills and resume

[S.G.]

you are delving into the philosophical and conceptual frailties of the pound-for-pound ranking system a mite too deeply my friend

[Butterball]

Because before 2 years Calzaghe resume was a laughing joke. P4P is based on skills and resume

COMPLETELY misunderstanding the very BASIC point I was making, well done.


And how the **** can you be a "laughing joke" anyway? Can a joke even laugh?