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  • Sonny Palermo
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    #21
    You group a bunch of people together by nationality, followed by a non-sensical, non-racist disclaimer.

    You question the value of a certain style of punching, under the tag name of a guy who fits your description of those whose ability you question.

    And you do so on a night where one of the guys you mentioned as an example used the punch correctly, accurately and beautifuly

    Then you question why no one answers in the manner you would like?

    Basic fighting, ring or street: someone dips in when they come forward, you use an uppercut. It was the right fight plan for JMM last night.

    Mayan Sun said it very well - JMM is one of the few fighters who uses an uppecut in the way many use a jab, as a set up for a 2, 3 and even 4 punch combo, usually followed by double left hooks. It is a thing of beauty for any true fan of the sport, but, I guess something that is misunderstood, underappreciated or totally missed by others.

    Here is a cut and paste from my post here a few weeks ago:
    "What has always impressed me about JMM is his text book combinations, and not-so-textbook combinations - especially the way he sometimes leads with right uppercuts followed by double left hooks. A thing of beauty to a boxing fan.

    I was concerned the latest move up in weight would be JMM's downfall, as I believe his lack of power was the only thing that kept him from greatness. He has the other skills - jab, footwork, counter punching, decent speed, ring intelligence, etc, but I always think he was a hair light in power. But he looked OK against Casamayor; albeit it an older version of Casa, but still a guy who Castillo, Campbell and Corrales couldn't KO. Could it be the move up helped? Is he a little stronger?

    His is an excellent counterpuncher, and I believe his skill in that area is the key for him to get by Diaz and his bull rushes. I think the odds on this one are correct, Marquez -140; they should go higher by fight time so bet now if you're going to.
    "

    Last night, I think JMM silenced those who said he KO'd a past his prime Casa, as Diaz was a young bull, in his prime.

    JMM was as high as -180 last night. I gave the pick out on a show I did Friday night, showing viewers how Diaz will bend low when he comes in, and how Marquez will be effective with his counters, especially the uppercut.


    Last night was a beautiful fight, boxing at it's best, a good thing for a sport that oftens shows us it's worst. That should be celebrated today, not questioned . . .
    Last edited by Sonny Palermo; 03-01-2009, 10:41 AM.

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    • rizkybizness
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      #22
      Originally posted by DarchinyFAN
      No, the correct uppercuts they throw do plenty of damage. As I said they are capable of throwing correct uppercuts and do.

      The shots that I am referring to never cause much damage, and the way they are thrown don't have a chance to.

      As far as Darchinyan goes, yeah he doesnt fight a very "technical style" but thats just one man being akward to himself. I am referring to a phenomena of a large group of fighters, even some that are considered technically proficient in the sport (Mijares, Montiel, Marquez) throwing this punch multiple times in a fight.

      Like I said this is not a hate thread, more a point of interest.

      im not sure how long you've been following boxing but the HBO crew once said

      "who throws uppercuts from the outside?!?!?!? Marquez! That's who."

      Again, it works for him and is very very effective.

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      • rizkybizness
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        #23
        Originally posted by o z i r
        im not sure how long you've been following boxing but the HBO crew once said

        "who throws uppercuts from the outside?!?!?!? Marquez! That's who."

        Again, it works for him and is very very effective.
        guess not?

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        • savorduhflavor
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          #24
          I really fail to see how Marquez's uppercuts are "ugly" or technically inferior.

          Marquez throws beautiful uppercuts, he turns his hips and gets GREAT leverage on them.

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          • 2501
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            #25
            Originally posted by o z i r
            im not sure how long you've been following boxing but the HBO crew once said

            "who throws uppercuts from the outside?!?!?!? Marquez! That's who."

            Again, it works for him and is very very effective.
            I was JUST about to post this quote. It was from the Jaca fight and it was Kellerman who said it.

            Marquez is incapable of throwing an "ugly" punch. Technicality is his bread and butter. Its what wins him his fights. No disrespect to the TS, but to group Marquez's outside uppercut to one of Margarito's is truly an insult to Marquez.

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            • ShalafiV.2
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              #26
              Originally posted by 2501
              I was JUST about to post this quote. It was from the Jaca fight and it was Kellerman who said it.

              Marquez is incapable of throwing an "ugly" punch. Technicality is his bread and butter. Its what wins him his fights. No disrespect to the TS, but to group Marquez's outside uppercut to one of Margarito's is truly an insult to Marquez.
              I agree with what you said but in all fairness to Margarito he does posses one of the best uppercuts in the game, both inside and outside. Marquez is just a complete beast in every sense of the world, I'm still amazed at how good this guy is.

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              • rizkybizness
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                #27
                Originally posted by 2501
                I was JUST about to post this quote. It was from the Jaca fight and it was Kellerman who said it.

                Marquez is incapable of throwing an "ugly" punch. Technicality is his bread and butter. Its what wins him his fights. No disrespect to the TS, but to group Marquez's outside uppercut to one of Margarito's is truly an insult to Marquez.

                great minds think alike

                Originally posted by ShalafiV.2
                I agree with what you said but in all fairness to Margarito he does posses one of the best uppercuts in the game, both inside and outside. Marquez is just a complete beast in every sense of the world, I'm still amazed at how good this guy is.
                dude, you're honestly still a margarito fan after he got caught tryin to cheat?

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                • Dan...
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by o z i r
                  seems pretty effective if you ask me. btw, i find it amusing how a darchinyan fan is the one talking about "incorrect hideous" punches.
                  LOLOL. This is so ***n dead on.

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                  • THe TRiNiTY
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                    #29
                    The correct punch is the punch that connects and hurts. Marquez connected and Diaz got hurt. End of story.

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                    • Carolina Bomber
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by DarchinyFAN
                      This is not a Mexican hate thread. I am actually serious.

                      Why do Mexicans so often throw those long distance, jumping, pushed, slow, 90 degree things they call uppercuts?

                      Not saying they cant throw correct ones, because they do, but even a technician like Marquez throws this hideous punch multiple times in a fight. Even if they land they rarely have any effect, and leave you wide open for a counter.

                      Maybe I am not looking for it when other guys fight, but this version of the punch seems to be thrown almost exclusively by Mexican fighters.
                      That uppercut that put Diaz down for the last time was a pretty damn good uppercut.

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