Do you think williams is the Armstrong of our generation

[Miburo]

Armstrongs achievement can never be duplicated in the present time, with the alphabet belts, boxing politics,etc.imo the closest thing we have is pac, it pales in comparison with what henry but you rather have williams based on "he has shown the rare ability to potentially win and defend titles at multiple weights (moving up and back down) simultaneously". No disrespect and all but one is speculation the other is reality.

It's not reality for the reasons I stated. Pacquiao could perhaps feasibly move between 135-147 at best, and would not win all his fights at 147. He has settled at 140. Yes he moved up in weight rapidly, but it was not a greater jump than Spinks made, and was a one-time deal only. When he starts fighting at two weights simultaneously to defend titles, then there could be an argument.

[hammerhiem]

i remember lampley asked steward if pacquiao is this generation's armstrong... steward said yes, he would say so...

but between your word and emmanuel steward's man? it is your word that trumps steward's hands down... youre the man...

The FACTS show it's wrong, two titles 5lb's apart do not bear comparison to 3 titles 21lbs apart.

how fcuking difficult is that to understand?

[talip bin osman]

relax hammerheim... i believe you... as ive said, when it comes to boxing, your word carries more weight than emmanuel steward's...

[Pacdbest]

You can't really compare eras. Armstrong did have a strange body type which enabled him to make those jumps, but his best weight was probably welter. I think the Williams comparison is apt solely because Williams has shown the rare ability to potentially win and defend titles at multiple weights (moving up and back down) simultaneously.

I was watching Armstrong today & I can tell you, you put the Modern Pac of today & Tele-tranport him in Armstrong era. I'll bet Pac will beat Armstrong.

What Armstrong did in his era was amazing but Pac was also Amazing on this era. So there's the comparison.. They're very similar in their eras. But one thing Pac did better than armstrong is Pac Koed much bigger guys & still dominates. Pac also comes from much a lower weight class. Pac's fought from 106-147. Armstrong only was successful from 126-147.

[strugler]

It's not reality for the reasons I stated. Pacquiao could perhaps feasibly move between 135-147 at best, and would not win all his fights at 147. He has settled at 140. Yes he moved up in weight rapidly, but it was not greater a jump than Spinks made, and was a one-time deal only. When he starts fighting at two weights simultaneously to defend titles, then there could be an argument.

Man i wasnt saying they were exactly the same, all im telling you is Williams claim solely based on speculation while pacquios more a reality regardless if its inferior compared with armstrong.

[Miburo]

I was watching Armstrong today & I can tell you, you put the Modern Pac of today & Tele-tranport him in Armstrong era. I'll bet Pac will beat Armstrong.

What Armstrong did in his era was amazing but Pac was also Amazing on this era. So there's the comparison.. They're very similar in their eras. But one thing Pac did better than armstrong is Pac Koed much bigger guys & still dominates. Pac also comes from much a lower weight class. Pac's fought from 106-147. Armstrong only was successful from 126-147.

Armstrong fought to a draw for the middleweight title in a fight most ringside observers thought he won. That's 126-160. People stress Pacquiao's run at flyweight a bit too much to give credence to his amazing weight jumping abilities, he was still practically a kid and everyone saw the results when he grew out of the weight (KO losses). It's still impressive, but it's the not same sort of scenario as with Armstrong. In terms of stoppage victories, I believe Armstrong won 28 fights in a single year at welterweight, 27 by KO. You don't appear to have many of the facts straight regarding Armstrong.

[Miburo]

Man i wasnt saying they were exactly the same, all im telling you is Williams claim solely based on speculation while pacquios more a reality regardless if its inferior compared with armstrong.

I stated from the very beginning, "potentially". It should be a moot point. Obviously Williams hasn't, and most likely won't (for reasons I stated initially), make such a run.

[hammerhiem]

In reality the best comparison to make against Pacquiao is Duran (I.e top ten fighter who fought in many weights over the years)

Pac has so far fought in 8 weights 108, 112, 120, 126, 130, 135, 147 (140 next fight)

Duran fought at 10 weights 120, 126, 130, 135, 140, 147, 154, 160, 168, 175.

Pac has never really ruled a division, has only 4 sucsessful defences, but has fought for titles at 5 weights.

Duran ruled 135 for a decade including 13 defences, fought in world championship fights at 6 weights.

Pac has been fighting for 14 years 10 at the top level

Duran fought for 38 years, 25 year of that at the top level.

Pac has the chance if he keep on fighting great opposition to approach or even surpass Duran which should show anyone how good the man is, but lets not twist his accomplishments into something they are not.

[Miburo]

In reality the best comparison to make against Pacquiao is Duran (I.e top ten fighter who fought in many weights over the years)

Pac has so far fought in 8 weights 108, 112, 120, 126, 130, 135, 147 (140 next fight)

Duran fought at 10 weights 120, 126, 130, 135, 140, 147, 154, 160, 168, 175.

Pac has never really ruled a division, has only 4 sucsessful defences, but has fought for titles at 5 weights.

Duran ruled 135 for a decade including 13 defences, fought in world championship fights at 6 weights.

Pac has been fighting for 14 years 10 at the top level

Duran fought for 38 years, 25 year of that at the top level.

Pac has the chance if he keep on fighting great opposition to approach or even surpass Duran which should show anyone how good the man is, but lets not twist his accomplishments into something they are not.

Agreed, Duran is a better comparison in terms of career progression, although Pacquiao never had an extended dominant run at a single weight as Duran did at LW.

[MANGLER]

Nowhere close.