Bigger Cheater Trinidad or Margarito?

[PavlikRules]

I don't care either way. They are both cheaters, just shows your biased if you won't admit that Tito cheated. Besides if you would have read the article, you would have seen that he wasn't putting on gauze instead they were putting on half a roll of tape, creating a cast like creation, does that perhaps sound similar to what plaster does?

I consider them both cheaters. But I was using this to see which nut huggers would come to the rescue of either fighter.

Just because a commissioner signed off on them doesn't make them right. We all know boxing has a shady side, who says they didn't just let it go several times?

Tito had power, why did he have to create a cast on his left hand? He was a cheater, he wasn't just protecting Tito, he was endangering another fighter, that is BS why does he get a pass?

No no no.... Tito's Father put the tape on his SKIN. The rules state the Gauze must go on first and THEN the tape. There was NO ROLL of tape kid.

It was simple a matter tape first or gauze first when initiating the wrapping.

Tito did not cheat, his father simply knew more about protecting a fighters hands than Mayweather's did.

[ELHURACAN58]

Who would be the bigger cheater is it Trinidad or Margarito? The guy who wrapped Tito's hands for the Hopkins fight said that is how they always wrapped them and they will from there on. He was using tape instead of gause to protect his hands creating a cast like wrap. Margarito had a plaster like substance.

Who is the bigger cheater? Trinidad admitted he cheated his entire career. Margarito straight up got caught and we have no idea how long he was doing that for.

Alex Rodriguez.....

[ELHURACAN58]

There was a huge article with Bernard Hopkins, Bouie, and others.

Cherifi Better Watch Tito's Hand Wraps.
Exclusive by Ron Heard

On September 29, 2001 before the fight between Bernard Hopkins and Felix Trinidad, team Hopkins sent a representative from their team to over-see Tito's hands being wrapped. When their representative arrived he was shocked to see that Tito's left hand was already wrapped, signed off and the boxing glove was on. In an exclusive interview Bernard Hopkins (said), "I sent my team in there to watch Trinidad wrap his hands and when they got there
Trinidad's left hand was already wrapped and he had his boxing glove on. So my trainer, Bouie Fisher who has been doing this stuff for a long time went over there to straighten it up. The thing is Trinidad has been getting away with doing this for a long time. I know for a fact that he has done it at least one other fight. They are used to being able to do whatever they want and get away with it. That is how it is in boxing."
First of all, you have to wonder who this commissioner was that let Don Felix wrap Tito's hand without anyone from the Hopkins camp being there. Hopkins said, "not only did he let him wrap the hands without us being there, but he was in there joking and laughing and talking Spanish with the Trinidads like they were best friends. When Bouie told them that he would have to take it off and rewrap it in front of someone fron their camp, he said "NO," its
already wrapped and it's too close to time for the fight to start. Bouie had to go to the head commissioner before they were made to rewrap his hands."
Luckily for Hopkins, Bouie Fisher is old school and he was not going to let this fight go on with Tito having wrapped his left hand and nobody from his camp watching it. "Bouie kept telling them, either we do this by the book or we don't do it all," said Hopkins.
It didn't make since to Fisher why the Trinidad's were so insistent on not rewrapping the hand because obviously they knew the rules. They have been in enough of these big fights to know that a representative from the other camp is allowed to be in the room while they are wrapping Tito's hand. Even if the New York Commission's Representative didn't know any better, the Trinidads definitely did. The Trinidads went so far as to actually say, "If we have to rewrap Tito's hand then there will be no fight."
Why was this left hand wrapping so important to the Trinidads?
Finally, after the head commissioner became involved the Trinidads were told to either rewrap the left hand or the fight was off. After much argument, they finally agreed to rewrap the hand with a member from the Hopkins team present.
Tito was made to remove his glove and the prior wrapping in front of Hopkins representative Naazim Richardson who noticed that the wrap looked very thick and when he felt it he says it was as hard as a rock. All the sudden it became very clear why they had tried to get away with wrapping the left hand without anyone from the Hopkins camp watching and also why they didn't want to remove it and rewrap the hand.
Don Felix began to rewrap the hand again, but Richardson noticed that Don Felix was putting layers of tape and then gauze, tape and then gauze, tape and then gauze which is not in accordance with NYSAC rules. The rules stipulate tape cannot be applied directly over the knuckles, and that repeating the process several times (is not permitted).
In an interview with Bernard Fernandez of Philly.com, Hopkins said, "If you put on tape, then gauze, then tape, then gauze, it's like a [plaster] cast. It's like being hit with a baseball bat. I'm giving out some secrets here, but you can dip your hands in ice water and that tape will, like, marinate and become harder. But it's only cheating if you get caught. Personally, I think Vargas' and Reid's people dropped the ball. Naazim did a brilliant job in spotting what [Felix Trinidad Sr.] was doing with the wraps." Don Felix was also putting tape on the skin and over the knuckles, both of which are not in accordance with NYSAC rules. New York's head commissioner put his foot down and made Don Felix wrap in strict accordance to the rules.
Don Felix has insisted in several interviews that, "I have always wrapped Tito's hands this way and nobody else has ever said anything."
That’s like saying, I beat my wife all the time and I've never got in trouble for it before. Now, all the sudden you guys want to make a big deal out this. That's just not right, I'm a respectable man.
In a recent interview of Don Felix by Gerardo M. Avila-Planas and David Mesqueue., Don Felix was asked, "Do you think that the Hopkins camp did it (made them rewrap Tito's hand) to get to you psychologically?" and he answered, "Well, it got to us a little because, since I couldn’t place the tape that I usually place on Tito’s hand.(which is illegal in Nevada and New York).. I had to add some more gauze to make a type of pillow... This tends to take away some of the power in the punch."

.....This tends to take away some of the power in the punch."........From the Mouth Of Don Felix.

......This tends to take away some of the power in the punch!".....From the Mouth Of Don Felix.

There are a couple really important things in this statement by Don Felix.
First, he admits that the New York Commission wouldn't allow him to wrap the hands like he ALWAYS DOES. There can only be one reason for him not being allowed to wrap the hands that way - it was illegal. Therefore, if that is how he ALWAYS wrapped Tito's hands in the past, the assumption that he always wrapped illegally is not far-fetched . But this time he was forced to wrap the hands in strict accordance to NYSAC rules.
Second, he admits that not being able to use the layers and to put the tape on the skin and over the knuckles, "TENDS TO TAKE AWAY SOME OF THE POWER IN THE PUNCH." So he admits that with the illegal wrapping Tito is able to hit harder.

Wasnt Cherifi the guy that went down in 4 rounds vs Tito

[MANGLER]

This thread is ****** and has already been done about 100 times.

[ELHURACAN58]

Wasnt Cherifi the guy that went down in 4 rounds vs Tito?

Forgot the question mark....

[poeticlsykuac]

No no no.... Tito's Father put the tape on his SKIN. The rules state the Gauze must go on first and THEN the tape. There was NO ROLL of tape kid.

It was simple a matter tape first or gauze first when initiating the wrapping.

Tito did not cheat, his father simply knew more about protecting a fighters hands than Mayweather's did.

What are you talking about. Let me wrap my hands like him and have a free shot at you, I bet I drop you easily, in fact probably would KO you. I don't hit soft and if I hit you with a cast like wrap you would be dropped.

Hell let me punch you twice once with out first and once with his wraps. I bet I drop you on both accounts, but i bet if I hit you with his wraps you would be far more damaged.

He didn't care about the protection of the other fighter, hardly sportsman like a lack of respect for his sport and other fighters. When your hands are being protected at the other fighters loss of safety it is cheating. In fact he obviously cheated, Felix admitted it. Just think what would have happened to Tito if Hopkins had those wraps when they fought, man Tito literally may have died in the ring. He got straight punked, if there would have been cast like wraps on Hopkins hands Tito would have been psychologically damaged for life.

So did Margarito, no one is dismissing that, however cheating is cheating. Sorry but the wrap on his hands was illegal, he did it in almost every single fight admittedly, and you can't defend the fact that the commission allowed it illegally. Boxing is a shady sport we all know it, why would this be any different.

Sorry bro, but you need to just say it, cheating is cheating. Plaster or cast they still feel much harder then they are suppose to be, and they damage a fighter beyond their natural ability with those wraps.

[PavlikRules]

What are you talking about. Let me wrap my hands like him and have a free shot at you, I bet I drop you easily, in fact probably would KO you. I don't hit soft and if I hit you with a cast like wrap you would be dropped.

Hell let me punch you twice once with out first and once with his wraps. I bet I drop you on both accounts, but i bet if I hit you with his wraps you would be far more damaged.

He didn't care about the protection of the other fighter, hardly sportsman like a lack of respect for his sport and other fighters. When your hands are being protected at the other fighters loss of safety it is cheating. In fact he obviously cheated, Felix admitted it. Just think what would have happened to Tito if Hopkins had those wraps when they fought, man Tito literally may have died in the ring. He got straight punked, if there would have been cast like wraps on Hopkins hands Tito would have been psychologically damaged for life.

So did Margarito, no one is dismissing that, however cheating is cheating. Sorry but the wrap on his hands was illegal, he did it in almost every single fight admittedly, and you can't defend the fact that the commission allowed it illegally. Boxing is a shady sport we all know it, why would this be any different.

Sorry bro, but you need to just say it, cheating is cheating. Plaster or cast they still feel much harder then they are suppose to be, and they damage a fighter beyond their natural ability with those wraps.

From what I heard personally.... Tito's father said His son's hands would be more vulnerable to getting hurt with that DUMB way of wrapping and so essentially, Tito would have to hold back on his natural POWER.

Keep in mind, Tito's dad speaks very little English. He would NEVER say "Oh now we can't hit as hard..." That's just dumb.

He stressed it was the BEST way to preserve a fighters hand.

Hopkins camp made a big deal out of it to get into Tito's head.

[strugler]

If found guilty Margarito most definitely,

[poeticlsykuac]

From what I heard personally.... Tito's father said His son's hands would be more vulnerable to getting hurt with that DUMB way of wrapping and so essentially, Tito would have to hold back on his natural POWER.

Keep in mind, Tito's dad speaks very little English. He would NEVER say "Oh now we can't hit as hard..." That's just dumb.

He stressed it was the BEST way to preserve a fighters hand.

Hopkins camp made a big deal out of it to get into Tito's head.

So the safety of Tito's hands is more important then the other fighter, now I get it. So it is cool, what if Margarito was protecting his hands does that make it acceptable to hit someone with a harder then normal wrap? NOPE! So it is cool to give him more power when it is already outstanding?

Tito got an unfair advantage because he hit hard? That seems like a redonkulous statement to me. Seriously cheating is cheating. He was fighting with a much harder then normal wrap.

[SOY-COMO-SOY]

lol

Does the mullet resemble anything like Dog the bounty hunter sports?

cuz theres no coming back from that one

No my girls dad is way way worse. cuz his hair is so short on top and in the back its to the bottom of his back-neck.

its almost like this, but my girls dad is more thicker in the back. http://www.natbikes.com/images/mullet.JPG

he is 25% native american and 75% white, but he tries to act like he is 100% indian. thats why he keeps his mullet. He had it since he was 20 and now he still has it 25 years later.