Joan Guzman vs. Yuri Romanov; IBF Lightweight Title

[Heru]

Im here just to **** on Guzman and Ill be on my way...first off if this is the best Guzman can do...well that just shows where he is at.
Second for all you guys that say Cotto is fighting a bum in Jennings.

Jennings 34 (16) 1 loss
last 5 opponents 33 losses
2008 3 fights 2007 2 fights

Guzman 29 (17) 0 loss
last 5 opponents 28 losses
2008 1 fight 2007 1 fight
Check the stats..and draw your own conclusion..theyre either both bums or both average fighters.

LMAO, that 2007 opponent is the #1 fighter in the world in his division right now lol. That comparison is embarrassing, but not for him, it's embarrassing you cuz it outs you as a hater. 2 titles 3 weight classes, going for the 3rd in his 4th, keep hatin'.

Here you go making up facts.
I hope and wish Guzman fights the best....because I tell you right now and in front of all...I will bet it ALL THAT HE LOSES. If Its anyone in top 10 I will bet half if its top five I will be it all. Rankings will have to be acknowledged by wba,wbc,wbo,ibf all of them.

Guzman was a 2-1/3-1 favorite against Campbell so you'll have good odds to lose your money or points or whatever you plan on betting. It's almost impossible to be ranked by all the organizations, after JMM or Diaz wins that WBO they won't be ranked by anyone except the WBO and The Ring. Keep hatin'.

They're fighting for the WBO, WBA, IBO and Ring belts - what's so special about the IBF that it has to be the only one to prefer to give its belt to much lower ranked fighters? Campbell was stripped of the WBO, WBA and IBF belts, and of these the IBF is the only one to consider Marquez-Diaz to be unworthy of its belt.

They aren't fighting for the WBA, there won't be a super champion anymore, Paulus Moses is the WBA titlist. Anyway, the WBO and the WBA do much worse than this on a consistent basis. Are you complaining about Michael Jennings being the #1 ranked mandatory? If not, then you shouldn't be complaining about this. Both are more credible fighting for a title then Jennings.

[sylvestersweet]

oh HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL NO.
WTF has Joan Guzman done to deserve such an opportunity?
Horse****!

[Dave Rado]

Are you complaining about Michael Jennings being the #1 ranked mandatory?

Of course - he's ranked #50 by boxrec.

I've also complained in several threads about Barrera being their #1.

[Dave Rado]

They aren't fighting for the WBA.

See here ...

[boxing2106]

never seen yuri fight. but good move for guzman. i wonder if the dominican media will give hype up this fight. atleast more then the diaz fight since this is for a world title so obviously its a bigger fight.

[ИATAS]

oh HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL NO.
WTF has Joan Guzman done to deserve such an opportunity?
Horse****!

well his last fight just a month ago or so what an eliminator fight, so it makes sense he's getting a title shot since no one else ranked higher than him is available. I don't know what the problem is here, even OnePunch who isn't secret about his negative feelings towards Guzman broke it down.

Remember, he was ranked #1 and was Nate Campbell's mandatory fight before the whole weight debacle occurred. Him winning the eliminator fight and he's ranked #7. I don't see the problem there.

[OnePunch]

well his last fight just a month ago or so what an eliminator fight, so it makes sense he's getting a title shot since no one else ranked higher than him is available. I don't know what the problem is here, even OnePunch who isn't secret about his negative feelings towards Guzman broke it down.

Remember, he was ranked #1 and was Nate Campbell's mandatory fight before the whole weight debacle occurred. Him winning the eliminator fight and he's ranked #7. I don't see the problem there.

His "eliminator" was with the WBA, not the IBF, so thats not really relevant as far as the IBF ratings are concerned. The problem here is a hard one to solve. Do you rank a guy based on accomplishments within the division, or do you rank him based on potential (i.e. Angulo being #1 WBC and WBO at 154, without fighting a top 10 guy). Guzman with one fight at 135 against no-hoper Ameth Diaz on its own doesnt warrant a #7 ranking, but then again who would you rank above him? Its a tough call. I guess you have to come up with a mix of accomplishments and potential, and do the best you can. My only beef with the IBF is how do you rank Guzman at #7 for beating Ameth Diaz on a decision, but NOT rank Marquez for knocking out Casamayor? Thats the part that doesnt make sense to me.........

Note: and if Funeka drops below #4 in next months IBF ratings, then something is rotten in Denmark.....

[ИATAS]

His "eliminator" was with the WBA, not the IBF, so thats not really relevant.

Ah, my bad. It's always hard for me to remember which is which.

The problem here is a hard one to solve. Do you rank a guy based on accomplishments within the division, or only on potential (i.e. Angulo being #1 WBC and WBO, without fighting a top 10 guy). Guzman with one fight at 135 against no-hoper Ameth Diaz on its own doesnt warrant a #7 ranking, but then again who would you rank above him? Its a tough call. I guess you have to come up with a mix of accomplishments and potential, and do the best you can. My only beef with the IBF is how do you rank Guzman at #7 for beating Ameth Diaz on a decision, but NOT rank Marquez for knocking out Casamayor? Thats the part that doesnt make sense to me.........

Very good question. Ranking is shady. My personal opinion, based on what I read and making my own conclusions (not based with facts), was that the only reason Guzman was made #1 and Nate Campbell's mandatory, without even fighting at 135, was based part on his ranking at 130 of course, and also I think he was given a deal by Frank Warren, who if you recall at the time Guzman was set to fight that Scottish fighter (cant remember his name!) at 130 for Guzman's belt and the fight was delayed for a stretch of time then finally canceled. I think Frank's influence with the WBO (which is widely known) basically got guzman a deal, I think Warren basically said look you leave the division and go to 135 which you were going to go to anyways, vacate the belt, and you'll get the #1 mandatory against Nate. That way Warrens fighter would avoid losing to Guzman and instead gets his belt without even fighting.

I think that's how it went down, in theory being a win-win for both parties. Unfortunately for Guzman of course he ****ed that **** up.

[OnePunch]

Ah, my bad. It's always hard for me to remember which is which.



Very good question. Ranking is shady. My personal opinion, based on what I read and making my own conclusions (not based with facts), was that the only reason Guzman was made #1 and Nate Campbell's mandatory, without even fighting at 135, was based part on his ranking at 130 of course, and also I think he was given a deal by Frank Warren, who if you recall at the time Guzman was set to fight that Scottish fighter (cant remember his name!) and it was delayed for a stretch of time then finally canceled. I think Frank's influence with the WBO (which is widely known) basically got guzman a deal, I think Warren basically said look you leave the division and go to 135 which you were going to go to anyways, vacate the belt, and you'll get the #1 mandatory against Nate. That way Warrens fighter would avoid losing to Guzman and instead gets his belt without even fighting.

I think that's how it went down, in theory being a win-win for both parties. Unfortunately for Guzman of course he ****ed that **** up.

I can tell you exactly how that went down. WBO rules permit a standing champion (which Guzman was at 130) to vacate the title, and assume the #1 position in another weight division. Warren didnt even protest, because the #1 at the time Guzman moved up was Khan, and Warren was in no hurry to put Khan in with Nate. Even though we preferred Khan or Peterson over Guzman, what happened was well within the WBO rules. So it wasnt like they pulled any nonsense or anything.

[ИATAS]

I can tell you exactly how that went down. WBO rules permit a standing champion (which Guzman was at 130) to vacate the title, and assume the #1 position in another weight division. Warren didnt even protest, because the #1 at the time Guzman moved up was Khan, and Warren was in no hurry to put Khan in with Nate. Even though we preferred Khan or Peterson over Guzman, what happened was well within the WBO rules. So it wasnt like they pulled any nonsense or anything.

Thanks, that makes much more sense then my conspiracy theory!