If Pacquiao is to beat Hatton he MUST............

[Dynamite Kid]

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Take a look at the distance Marquez is attacking Pac from, Hatton is not going to be uploading from now where near that far out.

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Floyd also had the wiles and know-how to contain Hatton's inside threat (and use it against him at points) in the instances when the action was allowed to take place up close...I don't know if Pacquiao has that in his bag of tricks.

This bit i agree with, people forget that mayweather couldnt stop hatton closing distance on him, he has better footwork than Pacman, difference was, when hatton got on the inside, he met forearms, elbows, shoulders, mayweather would slip to the side to create an angle and fire a shot and Mayweather is so underated in terms of body punching its unreal.

Pac doesnt have the inside game mayweather does and thats what I think could cause him serious problems in this fight.

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What Marquez was doing was timing Pacquiao, Hatton isn't the type of fighter to time his opponents like Marquez does, not to say Hatton cannot time opponents, he can but he's nowhere near as good as Marquez is at it. And Pacquiao should be moving much more against Hatton, he should not be that stationary, if he's that stationary then of course Hatton would get on the inside, if he moves around like he did against Diaz and DLH, then he can let Hatton come forward without letting him get on the inside.

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For what it's worth, JMM tends to bring out the worst in Manny. Pacman always seem to neglect his defense and try to finish off Marquez as fast as he can. Pacman always throws all caution to the wind because he's fighting a boxer who approximates his size and heft, he doesn't mind being tagged as long as he can dish some of his own. But as his competition gets bigger, stronger and more resistant to his punches (Diaz & De La Hoya), he now bides his time, try to soften them up in the early rounds before setting them up for the kill in the latter rounds. He pays more attention to his defense when he's up against the big boys, and he found out that it is a much better proposition for him to give and receive nothing in return, or at least minimize the hits he's been taking...

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What Marquez was doing was timing Pacquiao, Hatton isn't the type of fighter to time his opponents like Marquez does, not to say Hatton cannot time opponents, he can but he's nowhere near as good as Marquez is at it.

The major reason why I think Marquez had some sucess with pac, is that he moved away from the left, Pac doesnt get off as quick and he tends to spend the rest of the fight trying to get the left hand back in line. Now recently he used the right hand wide hook as a way to bring the opponent back into line again and looks to have improved the jab.

The Key to beating manny is to not back up, but slip away from the left, then you realise his boxing IQ isnt as great as some on here would have you believe.

Hatton doesnt have to be Marquez to move away from the left and Hatton is good at time from angles.

[Dynamite Kid]

It's the process of getting on the inside that's very dangerous for Hatton, what Pacquiao has to do when Hatton is coming forward is to time Hatton when he's on the way in and pepper Hatton with his combinations then step to the side, make Hatton overcommit with his shots and then pepper him again. Keep Hatton turning, don't let Hatton get on the inside but Pacquiao can let Hatton come to him.

Tyson loved to come forward but did he get inside on Douglas effectively? No. Just because a fighter comes forward, it doesn't mean he can get on the inside. More recently, Cintron was coming forward against Martinez but did he get inside effectively? No.

I dont believe Pacquiao will have the stamina or the angles to offset Hatton. Hatton didn't have trouble cutting the ring down on Mayweather. Hatton does not come in, in straight lines, he did against Mayweather when he was desperate, but generally he creates angles etc.


Tyson did'nt get inside Douglas, because he was using no head movement, because he was not inshape imo. Head movement creates angles to punch off and to get inside. I haven't seen the Martinez fight yet, but i know Cintron is a completely different fighter too Hatton, completely different, he throws his punches from further out, because of his height and range and he does not slip punches to get inside or use much head movement create angles.

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The major reason why I think Marquez had some sucess with pac, is that he moved away from the left, Pac doesnt get off as quick and he tends to spend the rest of the fight trying to get the left hand back in line. Now recently he used the right hand wide hook as a way to bring opponent back into line again and look to have improved the jab.

The Key to beating manny is to not back up, but slip away from the left, then you realise his boxing IQ isnt as great as some on here owuld have you believe.

Hatton doesnt have to be Marquez to move away from the left and Hatton is good at time from angles.

Marquez did a good job at that but that was not the only thing that made him effective against Pacquiao, the main thing was his timing and judgment of distance, Pacquiao can punch across his body with that left hand but obviously it isn't as effectively as it would be if he were throwing it at a target right in front of him.

It's hard to say how much better Hatton's head movement by judging from his fight against Malignaggi because he had nothing to worry about from Malignaggi.

I dont believe Pacquiao will have the stamina or the angles to offset Hatton. Hatton didn't have trouble cutting the ring down on Mayweather. Hatton does not come in, in straight lines, he did against Mayweather when he was desperate, but generally he creates angles etc.


Tyson did'nt get inside Douglas, because he using no head movement, because he was not inshape imo. Head movement creates angles to punch off and to get inside. I haven't seen the Martinez fight yet, but i know Cintron is a completely different fighter too Hatton, completely different, he throws his punches from further out, because of his height and range and he does not slip punches to get inside or use much head movement or head to create angles.

I think Pacquiao has enough stamina to keep up his movement for 12 rounds, pushing Hatton back like you suggested could take almost as much stamina as moving around on Hatton considering how physically strong Hatton is at 140.

You know, I think Mayweather allowed Hatton to get inside honestly, he could have moved around on Hatton like he did against Baldomir but he knew he could hang in there with Hatton because of his strength and smarts. Hatton getting on the inside on Mayweather was more to do with what Mayweather didn't do than what Hatton did do IMO.

The point I was trying to make was that a fighter can come forward without getting on the inside effectively. It's happened before, it can happen again. Just because a fighter is moving forward does not mean he'll get inside.

[Dynamite Kid]

Marquez did a good job at that but that was not the only thing that made him effective against Pacquiao, the main thing was his timing and judgment of distance, Pacquiao can punch across his body with that left hand but obviously it isn't as effectively as it would be if he were throwing it at a target right in front of him.

It's hard to say how much better Hatton's head movement by judging from his fight against Malignaggi because he had nothing to worry about from Malignaggi.



I think Pacquiao has enough stamina to keep up his movement for 12 rounds, pushing Hatton back like you suggested could take almost as much stamina as moving around on Hatton considering how physically strong Hatton is at 140.

You know, I think Mayweather allowed Hatton to get inside honestly, he could have moved around on Hatton like he did against Baldomir but he knew he could hang in there with Hatton because of his strength and smarts. Hatton getting on the inside on Mayweather was more to do with what Mayweather didn't do than what Hatton did do IMO.

The point I was trying to make was that a fighter can come forward without getting on the inside effectively. It's happened before, it can happen again. Just because a fighter is moving forward does not mean he'll get inside.

Thats possible, but i think Hatton's footspeed and footwork is his greatest asset. I dont see Pacquiao offsetting him with angles, because Hatton is far too relentless for that and he is too good at cutting down the ring, he would have to defuse (KO him) to stop him coming on imo.

Mike Tyson was not coming foward though. Douglas's back never hit the ropes once from what i remember. Mike spent most of the fight in the centre of the ring getting peppered with the jab and being backed up on occasion, and he did not use head movement to slip anything to find away inside.

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You know, I think Mayweather allowed Hatton to get inside honestly, he could have moved around on Hatton like he did against Baldomir but he knew he could hang in there with Hatton because of his strength and smarts. Hatton getting on the inside on Mayweather was more to do with what Mayweather didn't do than what Hatton did do IMO.

Definitely agree on this point.



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Thats possible, but i think Hatton's footspeed and footwork is his greatest asset. I dont see Pacquiao offsetting him with angles, because Hatton is far too relentless for that and he is too good at cutting down the ring, he would have to defuse (KO him) to stop him coming on imo.

Mike Tyson was not coming foward though. Douglas's back never hit the ropes once from what i remember. Mike spent most of the fight in the centre of the ring getting peppered with the jab and being backed up on occasion, and he did not use head movement to slip anything to find away inside.

We'll see when they actually step in the ring, I doubt we'll see an ultra-aggressive Pacquiao at first, maybe he'll start pushing Hatton back as the fight goes on if he feels Hatton is starting to weaken but I doubt he'll do that from the offset.

Anyways, there have been many examples on a fighter coming forward and not being effective all throughout history, Liston against Ali, La Motta against Robinson, Harding against McCallum etc. etc.