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  • If Pacquiao is to beat Hatton he MUST............

    If Pacquiao is to beat Hatton he must not let Hatton come foward.

    Hatton is the type of fighter that makes you fight his fight and the only fighter to have neutralized him whilst coming foward is Mayweather and that was, because .....

    1 is the best fighter of our era

    2 The refereed implemented the rules properly, but he also penalized Hatton unfairly on occasion too.


    All the guys who have let Hatton come foward have had sporadic success against him, but none of them have beaten him, because...

    1 his workrate and aggression is always gonna be favoured.

    2 Hatton takes away your leaverage when he puts you on the backfoot so you cant get maximum power into your shots.

    3 He mauls and stays close so you cant extention on your shots.


    Evander Holyfield beat Mike Tyson, because he did not allow him to come foward. Holyfield achieved this by holding Tyson and literally walking him onto the backfoot where he could then command the centre of the ring and keep Mike on the backfoot etc.

    Pacquiao is not as strong as Hatton i realizes, but if he is going to beat Hatton he MUST back him up. Otherwise he will have to rely on catching Hatton on the way in, but as i said earlier the only fighter who has had the smarts to set Hatton up for that big shot is Mayweather and as much as i like Pacquaio he is not Floyd Mayweather.

    Whether Pac backs him up with his power or physically backs him up by holding him and walking him back he MUST back him up.

    I firmly believe Tszyu would of knocked Hatton out, if the fight had been in the centre of the ring where Tszyu could got some time and space to measure Hatton, not to mention a proper referee.

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    I disagree with that, Hatton coming forward plays into Pacquiao's hands, Pacquiao cannot let Hatton get on the inside but Hatton coming forward should help Pacquiao really because Hatton still has flaws while coming forward and is still open to one of Pacquiao's best shots, the counter left hand when he's coming forward.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Silencers View Post
      I disagree with that, Hatton coming forward plays into Pacquiao's hands, Pacquiao cannot let Hatton get on the inside but Hatton coming forward should help Pacquiao really because Hatton still has flaws while coming forward and is still open to one of Pacquiao's best shots, the counter left hand when he's coming forward.
      I dont believe Pacquiao is good enough of a counter puncher to make the difference plus, when he is being back up he wont have the same leverage to generate the same power.

      DLH managed to trap him on the ropes a couple of times, but Hatton will not only cut him off he will hold him and lean on him when he gets him t****d.

      I bet you if Pacquaio allows Hatton to come foward that Hatton will take most of the early rounds and build up a lead, then it will be a case of, if Pacquiao can land that telling blow.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Dynamite Kid View Post
        I dont believe Pacquiao is good enough of a counter puncher to make the difference plus, when he is being back up he wont have the same leverage to generate the same power.

        DLH managed to trap him on the ropes a couple of times, but Hatton will not only cut him off he will hold him and lean on him when he gets him t****d.

        I bet you if Pacquaio allows Hatton to come foward that Hatton will take most of the early rounds and build up a lead, then it will be a case of, if Pacquiao can land that telling blow.
        Pacquiao can generate power while moving backwards as well, as we saw against Marquez, once Marquez left an opening for that left hand, Pacquiao took it and knocked Marquez down.

        As I said, he can't let Hatton get on the inside, it's a different thing, he can let Hatton come forward without allowing him to get on the inside by using his movement.
        Last edited by Silencers; 02-16-2009, 08:58 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Dynamite Kid View Post
          If Pacquiao is to beat Hatton he must not let Hatton come foward.

          Hatton is the type of fighter that makes you fight his fight and the only fighter to have neutralized him whilst coming foward is Mayweather and that was, because .....

          1 is the best fighter of our era

          2 The refereed implemented the rules properly, but he also penalized Hatton unfairly on occasion too.


          All the guys who have let Hatton come foward have had sporadic success against him, but none of them have beaten him, because...

          1 his workrate and aggression is always gonna be favoured.

          2 Hatton takes away your leaverage when he puts you on the backfoot so you cant get maximum power into your shots.

          3 He mauls and stays close so you cant extention on your shots.


          Evander Holyfield beat Mike Tyson, because he did not allow him to come foward. Holyfield achieved this by holding Tyson and literally walking him onto the backfoot where he could then command the centre of the ring and keep Mike on the backfoot etc.

          Pacquiao is not as strong as Hatton i realizes, but if he is going to beat Hatton he MUST back him up. Otherwise he will have to rely on catching Hatton on the way in, but as i said earlier the only fighter who has had the smarts to set Hatton up for that big shot is Mayweather and as much as i like Pacquaio he is not Floyd Mayweather.

          Whether Pac backs him up with his power or physically backs him up by holding him and walking him back he MUST back him up.

          I firmly believe Tszyu would of knocked Hatton out, if the fight had been in the centre of the ring where Tszyu could got some time and space to measure Hatton, not to mention a proper referee.
          hatton is a dead man if he bum rushes pac.... remember pac diaz? that's how its gonna look like

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Silencers View Post
            Pacquiao can generate power while moving backwards as well, as we saw against Marquez, once Marquez left an opening for that left hand, Pacquiao took it and knocked Marquez down.

            As I said, he can't let Hatton get on the inside, it's a different thing, he can let Hatton come forward without letting him getting on the inside by using his movement.


            I think Hatton gets as close as Marquez did he will start stepping around Pacquiao and making himself safe, THEN uploading.

            I dont get it, coming foward is Hatton's avenue to getting inside. I put them in the same category, Pac cannot let Hatton come foward, because he will get inside.

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            • #7
              I dont think Hatton can afford to come at Pac in straight lines, Hatton chances for this fight rely on angles, angling away from pac's left, leading in with the right hand from angles and leading with hooks to the body from angles.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Dynamite Kid View Post
                Hatton is the type of fighter that makes you fight his fight and the only fighter to have neutralized him whilst coming foward is Mayweather and that was, because .....

                1 is the best fighter of our era

                2 The refereed implemented the rules properly, but he also penalized Hatton unfairly on occasion too.
                Floyd also had the wiles and know-how to contain Hatton's inside threat (and use it against him at points) in the instances when the action was allowed to take place up close...I don't know if Pacquiao has that in his bag of tricks.


                The consensus seems to be that Hatton needs to box his way into the mauling, to work behind a jab with head movement and thread his way in...but when has he really implemented that with a superior boxer? The higher the class of his opponent, the more Hatton seems to abandon his fundamentals. Ie. when faced with a superior boxer.
                The same method with which he fought Tszyu is how I see Hatton succeeding against Pacquiao, assuming he has enough punch resistance left in the tank to cope with whatever degree of punishment he has to take coming in. And while I see Hatton eating some shots coming in that way...I got to consider that he ate shots coming in against a quality opponent like Kostya, but still won the fight....smothering a lot of the punishment he might otherwise have shipped purely by the hurtling, unstable, desperate flight of his passage to the inside, denying Kostya the leverage to get off fully...I look at what Hatton did in that fight and refuse to accept it as 'educated' or 'intelligent' pressure...(even when a jab was employed, it seemed like a sporadic, perfunctory gesture at times, not a consistent factor in the effectiveness of his attacks)...but that method overall worked by dint of its unorthodoxy and sheer balls, if being in no way technically sound.

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                • #9
                  Pacman was backpedaling when he nailed Morales with a left that put Erik down for the first time in their 3rd fight...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dynamite Kid View Post
                    I think Hatton gets as close as Marquez did he will start stepping around Pacquiao and making himself safe, THEN uploading.

                    I dont get it, coming foward is Hatton's avenue to getting inside. I put them in the same category, Pac cannot let Hatton come foward, because he will get inside.
                    It's the process of getting on the inside that's very dangerous for Hatton, what Pacquiao has to do when Hatton is coming forward is to time Hatton when he's on the way in and pepper Hatton with his combinations then step to the side, make Hatton overcommit with his shots and then pepper him again. Keep Hatton turning, don't let Hatton get on the inside but Pacquiao can let Hatton come to him.

                    Tyson loved to come forward but did he get inside on Douglas effectively apart from that little moment with the uppercut? No. Just because a fighter comes forward, it doesn't mean he can get on the inside. More recently, Cintron was coming forward against Martinez but did he get inside effectively? No.
                    Last edited by Silencers; 02-16-2009, 09:13 AM.

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