**SERIOUS)) What about Pacs fight with ODH or Diaz makes you think he can beat Ricky?

[aether]

they should rename this fight "pacquiao-diaz 2". that's how its gonna look like

[El Dominicano]

The same can be said for Hatton. He's never fought a pressure fighter or anyone with the speed of Pacquiao. You can say he did against Floyd, but I've always said people get accuracy and speed confused, Floyd is more of an accurate puncher more that him just being really fast (though he does have speed).

You have to box Pacquaio from a distance, but Hatton doesn't or never has fought that way. He'll get dragged into a brawl and it'll be downhill for Hatton.

Him beating Diaz and Oscar was just the icing on the cake after coming off one of his best fights against JMM. He's been in bigger battles than what a Hatton fight will pose to him (regardless of the weight).

Just remember, even Mayweather couldn't keep a distance against Hatton. Mayweather was the stronger guy against Hatton, I can't say the same for Pac. I see Pac gettin overpowered, not gettin the distance he needs, thrown into the corner and having to fight Hatton's fight. Hatton's footspeed is underated and that is what'll make this fight really competitive

I believe Hatton will win, either by U.D or possibly K.O but in no way am I counting out Pac and mainly, this is based on...Pac having beaten no one out of the 130 pound division and etc

[S A M U R A I]

Pacman beats Hatton because he is a better fighter.

Somethings are that simple.

Nice post.

OK, let's clear something up regarding Manny's defeats.

Pacquiao's first defeat was 13 years ago (1996). It was against Rustico Torrecampo. He was hit in the FACE in the 3rd round and failed to beat the count. Not a body shot.

Pacquiao's second defeat was by Medgoen Singsurat. It was via a body shot in round 3. This was 1999, so 10 years ago. Many will argue that Pacquiao was weight-drained. It makes sense, seeing as he couldn't make 112lbs. at the weigh-in, hence, Manny lost his (flyweight) title.

So, 13 years ago and 10 years ago respectively. Since then, not only has Manny improved dramatically, but he has done it against far superior opponents. He learned from his losses and made sure they never happened again. All except one:

Pacquiao's third defeat came against the great Erik Morales. Manny lost a close decision over 12 rounds. This loss was avenged twice when he KO'd Erik in the following fights. There was some drama surrounding the first, with Pacquiao being forced to wear Winning gloves. He wasn't allowed to use the Reyes gloves that usually adorn his hands. My opinion is, that the fight could well have ended in a KO, had he worn Reyes. I think he would have knocked Erik out. I think Erik thought he might have knocked him out too, that's why Winning gloves were selected. As it stands, it was a points defeat and 115-113 on all 3 cards.

So, basically, I think it's fair to say the KO defeats are far back enough in the past to become somewhat irrelevant. Pacquao is a very different fighter now. Far less one-dimensional, less ****y, and he doesn't uderestimate his opponent so much. Those losses were possibly the best thing that could have happened. Nowadays he does extensive amounts of training on his body. I have seen him take plenty of hard looking body shots and barely look phased by them.

Not saying it's impossible for Manny to be defeated by body shots, and I never would suggest it's an easy fight for either man, but I simply cannot envision Hatton emerging from this fight victorious. If he does, I will give him the credit he deserves, as long as he does it fairly, without any dirty tricks, wrestling and using elbows, etc.



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[S A M U R A I]

this is based on...Pac having beaten no one out of the 130 pound division and etc

Pac has proven that he retains his speed and power when going PAST 140. He also knocks out welterweight sparring partners, apparently. When you have skills like Manny, the weight kinda becomes a non-issue. He is just as fast, and I believe he is significantly more powerful at these higher weights. We'll see, anyway.



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[El Dominicano]

Pac has proven that he retains his speed and power when going PAST 140. He also knocks out welterweight sparring partners, apparently. When you have skills like Manny, the weight kinda becomes a non-issue. He is just as fast, and I believe he is significantly more powerful at these higher weights. We'll see, anyway.

Hard to take that, like I said he hasn't beaten anyone out of the 130 division. As for sparring partners, I've seen Shane beat up a couple of MWs.

Different level there

[Zerwas1]

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[S A M U R A I]

Hard to take that, like I said he hasn't beaten anyone out of the 130 division. As for sparring partners, I've seen Shane beat up a couple of MWs.

Different level there

Well, let's not discredit David Diaz completely. He was WBC champ, had 34 wins and only a single loss, and he is a pretty durable guy who can take a shot pretty well. No, he isn't the greatest technical fighter on earth, but neither is Ricky Hatton. Many said Pacquiao would lose, that he was out of his depth when facing a legit lightweight, but what we saw was another complete demolition job from Pac, who proved that he could carry up his power and speed into another division. He only has to take it up another 5 pounds from there. He's been lightning fast and very strong at 147, so I can't see 140 as being an issue whatsoever.



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[El Dominicano]

Well, let's not discredit David Diaz completely. He was WBC champ, had 34 wins and only a single loss, and he is a pretty durable guy who can take a shot pretty well. No, he isn't the greatest technical fighter on earth, but neither is Ricky Hatton. Many said Pacquiao would lose, that he was out of his depth when facing a legit lightweight, but what we saw was another complete demolition job from Pac, who proved that he could carry up his power and speed into another division. He only has to take it up another 5 pounds from there. He's been lightning fast and very strong at 147, so I can't see 140 as being an issue whatsoever.

Yes but I had Diaz losing to EM. Diaz was nothing special and very slow, better then the version of DLH Pac faced. I can tell you that much. Anyway, not sayin that this is a mismatch because I believe it can go either way but from what I've seen, I believe Hatton will win.

[Pullcounter]

Just remember, even Mayweather couldn't keep a distance against Hatton. Mayweather was the stronger guy against Hatton, I can't say the same for Pac. I see Pac gettin overpowered, not gettin the distance he needs, thrown into the corner and having to fight Hatton's fight. Hatton's footspeed is underated and that is what'll make this fight really competitive

I believe Hatton will win, either by U.D or possibly K.O but in no way am I counting out Pac and mainly, this is based on...Pac having beaten no one out of the 130 pound division and etc

i agree about everything u posted except the result... hatton should win by S.D. or U.D. but I dont think hatton will KO pac.

people should trust that hatton is stronger than pac and is quick enough on his feet to close the distance and clinch. pac cannot fight going backwards.... he is at his best coming forward or turning. hatton will close the distance and maul pac, pushing pac back and throwing pac off his game... believe it.

[El Dominicano]

i agree about everything u posted except the result... hatton should win by S.D. or U.D. but I dont think hatton will KO pac.

people should trust that hatton is stronger than pac and is quick enough on his feet to close the distance and clinch. pac cannot fight going backwards.... he is at his best coming forward or turning. hatton will close the distance and maul pac, pushing pac back and throwing pac off his game... believe it.

Yes and on top of that Pac doesn't clinch. 1st we'll see Pac this Uncomfortable