why calzaghe stayed away for so long?

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He stayed away cuz us Americans don't like to watch professional slapboxing...


J/k who knows you'd have to ask Joe. Or maybe he was gettin paid more in Wales than he woulda got in the USA.

Like it or not, he's not a HOFer in my book. Very good fighter tho.

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i dont think joe was ever afraid of roy or bernard i just think he was afraid to lose his 0 just like mayweather is now and he didnt feel confident that he could come to america and win until he destroyed jeff lacy and unfortunentley for him roy and bernard where already older.this is my opinion on why calzage stayed away from the u.s.

Money. That's the main reason. When you are comfortably earning a good living and filling stadiums in your home country, there's probably not much incentive to go elsewhere. Boxing is a business, remember.

Secondly, I don't know how many times it has to be stated, but Joe Calzaghe and Frank Warren tried to make fights with Jones and Hopkins many years ago. They didn't work out. Jones in 2000, and Hopkins in 2002. You know what happened with Hopkins -- he pulled out of their agreed fight the day before he was due to sign the contract. And apparently, Jones didn't want to fight Calzaghe because he wasn't a big enough name.

Calzaghe was calling out Hopkins since at least 6 years ago. Watch post-fight interviews from back then. He mentions Hopkins a lot.

Third, let's not forget that both Hopkins, Jones and Calzaghe were all in different weight divisions. None of them were obligated to fight each other. Jones moved up to light heavyweight a whole year before Calzaghe even gained his first strap at super middle.



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[3_Hooks]

haha, man yall are pathetic at this point. fans on as soon as i hear it..you'll are mere peasants. what are you trying to do, set a subconscious thing. hahaha, i know your moves.

[Dan...]

People talk about coming to the US as if he could just walk into a ring and call out Jones or Hopkins and they'd come running. Its hardly that easy.

He tried to fight Hopkins in America in 02 but Hopkins backed out/priced himself out.

Jones to me, was never really a viable fight. Roy was P4P and up at LHW where he didnt even entertain the idea of fighting his nearest rival in that division. I dont think he would've been interested in some Super Middleweight beltholder - it never really made sense as a fight until Joe got big by which time, Roy had started slipping.

You are making some pretty good points at the moment.

I don't think enough was made of the bolded section. Just glancing at these guy's careers you would think they should definately have fought in their primes. Similar weight, similar age, both neat the top, etc etc. The truth is their notoriety and peaks of their careers barely coincided at all. This was never really a commercially viable fight.

[Edward Hitler]

haha, man yall are pathetic at this point. fans on as soon as i hear it..you'll are mere peasants. what are you trying to do, set a subconscious thing. hahaha, i know your moves.

that made no sense at all lol

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floyd took way more risk than joe...floyd went up 5 divisions..joe went up one and got put on his ass twice by old fighters

You know something? Call me crazy, but I have have a theory. I think Calzaghe faked the Jones knockdown. Yup.

Analyze the whole situation: Joe gets knocked down... by a forearm. Now, who the **** ever got knocked down by a forearm?!! I have never seen it before in my whole life, and I've followed boxing for decades.

Why would he fake a knockdown? Simple:

1: First and foremost, it makes the fight seem competitive. He knew Jones wouldn't be able to win that fight. By faking a knockdown it makes it seem as though Roy had much more left than he really does. The fight was not competitive in the slightest, as we witnessed by the hardcore shellacking Joe gave to Jones for the remainder of the fight.

2: It makes Joe look better if he gets off the floor (for the fourth time in his career) to beat adversity and win. Very impressive powers of recovery... a warrior spirit... huge heart.

3: It lulls Jones into a false sense of security. Jones would have thought that all he has to do is concentrate on power punches to win the fight. What happens when he does this? He leaves himself open to getting his ears boxed off. Roy was thrown off his game plan after the first round.


If you think about it, this would be a damn smart move by Calzaghe. Joe took much harder shots in that fight and barely even flinched. The massive uppercut which totally distorted his face? Joe barely even reacted to it, he just carried on as normal and continued to beat Roy up as though nothing had even happened. So how can he get knocked down with a forearm, then absorb massive bombs like that with no reaction whatsoever?

Nobody, and I don't care who you are, gets put on their ass in the first few minutes, only to come back a couple of minutes later and fight without even using a guard, sticking your head between the gloves of your opponent and not even giving a **** for the next 11 rounds. If that KD was legit, Joe could have been knocked down or out at any point. Instead, he was playing with Jones for a whole 11 rounds and made it look ridiculously easy -- easier than the Lacy fight. I don't think Jones barely won a single minute of any round after the first.

As I said, call me crazy, but that's my theory and I'm almost convinced it could very well be true.

If the KD was legit, it made no difference to the outcome of the fight anyway. And lastly, if you believe the old saying "the last thing a fighter loses is his punch" (I do), then Hopkins and Jones can certainly still **** and it's not really surprising that these "old" dudes put him on the canvas anyway. They may well be old, as is Joe himself, but they were always elite and could still **** because power is the last thing to go.



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[Chunk..]

I thought Calzaghe retiring wold put an end to these threads.

[Edward Hitler]

You know something? Call me crazy, but I have have a theory. I think Calzaghe faked the Jones knockdown. Yup.

Analyze the whole situation: Joe gets knocked down... by a forearm. Now, who the **** ever got knocked down by a forearm?!! I have never seen it before in my whole life, and I've followed boxing for decades.

Why would he fake a knockdown? Simple:

1: First and foremost, it makes the fight seem competitive. He knew Jones wouldn't be able to win that fight. By faking a knockdown it makes it seem as though Roy had much more left than he really does. The fight was not competitive in the slightest, as we witnessed by the hardcore shellacking Joe gave to Jones for the remainder of the fight.

2: It makes Joe look better if he gets off the floor (for the fourth time in his career) to beat adversity and win. Very impressive powers of recovery... a warrior spirit... huge heart.

3: It lulls Jones into a false sense of security. Jones would have thought that all he has to do is concentrate on power punches to win the fight. What happens when he does this? He leaves himself open to getting his ears boxed off. Roy was thrown off his game plan after the first round.


If you think about it, this would be a damn smart move by Calzaghe. Joe took much harder shots in that fight and barely even flinched. The massive uppercut which totally distorted his face? Joe barely even reacted to it, he just carried on as normal and continued to beat Roy up as though nothing had even happened. So how can he get knocked down with a forearm, then absorb massive bombs like that with no reaction whatsoever?

Nobody, and I don't care who you are, gets put on their ass in the first few minutes, only to come back a couple of minutes later and fight without even using a guard, sticking your head between the gloves of your opponent and not even giving a **** for the next 11 rounds. If that KD was legit, Joe could have been knocked down or out at any point. Instead, he was playing with Jones for a whole 11 rounds and made it look ridiculously easy -- easier than the Lacy fight. I don't think Jones barely won a single minute of any round after the first.

As I said, call me crazy, but that's my theory and I'm almost convinced it could very well be true.

If the KD was legit, it made no difference to the outcome of the fight anyway. And lastly, if you believe the old saying "the last thing a fighter loses is his punch" (I do), then Hopkins and Jones can certainly still **** and it's not really surprising that these "old" dudes put him on the canvas anyway. They may well be old, as is Joe himself, but they were always elite and could still **** because power is the last thing to go.

lol thats crazy but i see where your comming from tho even just to make jones think hes got a chance and throw him off after all how many ppl have stook there head out to roy jones telling him to try and hit you not many ppl are that ****** or clever depends how you look at it but whatever really happened ppl can say what they like about his resume and he got dropped by him and him and whoever else but fact it joe was a genius when it came to the brain power part of boxing he definatly new what he needed to do to beat his man

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I know it'll seem crazy to some people, but I am convinced it's true. I don't know why, I just am. It would be a totally smart move.

If you and I were fighting and you knocked me down quite effortlessly, you'd spend the next 30 minutes thinking you could quite easily do it again if you just focused on power punches. When a fighter does this, he is open and able to be boxed, out-maneuvered and countered.



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[Guest]

You know something? Call me crazy, but I have have a theory. I think Calzaghe faked the Jones knockdown. Yup.

Analyze the whole situation: Joe gets knocked down... by a forearm. Now, who the **** ever got knocked down by a forearm?!! I have never seen it before in my whole life, and I've followed boxing for decades.

Why would he fake a knockdown? Simple:

1: First and foremost, it makes the fight seem competitive. He knew Jones wouldn't be able to win that fight. By faking a knockdown it makes it seem as though Roy had much more left than he really does. The fight was not competitive in the slightest, as we witnessed by the hardcore shellacking Joe gave to Jones for the remainder of the fight.

2: It makes Joe look better if he gets off the floor (for the fourth time in his career) to beat adversity and win. Very impressive powers of recovery... a warrior spirit... huge heart.

3: It lulls Jones into a false sense of security. Jones would have thought that all he has to do is concentrate on power punches to win the fight. What happens when he does this? He leaves himself open to getting his ears boxed off. Roy was thrown off his game plan after the first round.


If you think about it, this would be a damn smart move by Calzaghe. Joe took much harder shots in that fight and barely even flinched. The massive uppercut which totally distorted his face? Joe barely even reacted to it, he just carried on as normal and continued to beat Roy up as though nothing had even happened. So how can he get knocked down with a forearm, then absorb massive bombs like that with no reaction whatsoever?

Nobody, and I don't care who you are, gets put on their ass in the first few minutes, only to come back a couple of minutes later and fight without even using a guard, sticking your head between the gloves of your opponent and not even giving a **** for the next 11 rounds. If that KD was legit, Joe could have been knocked down or out at any point. Instead, he was playing with Jones for a whole 11 rounds and made it look ridiculously easy -- easier than the Lacy fight. I don't think Jones barely won a single minute of any round after the first.

As I said, call me crazy, but that's my theory and I'm almost convinced it could very well be true.

If the KD was legit, it made no difference to the outcome of the fight anyway. And lastly, if you believe the old saying "the last thing a fighter loses is his punch" (I do), then Hopkins and Jones can certainly still **** and it's not really surprising that these "old" dudes put him on the canvas anyway. They may well be old, as is Joe himself, but they were always elite and could still **** because power is the last thing to go.

I doubt that. You don't want to be 2 points down early in hostile territory and have to work your way back to a win. A judge could give Jones the next round and other subsequent rounds based on the kd in that round/
It would be absolutely crazy strategy to fake a kd.