Would you agree if I say...

[MANGLER]

Nah Great fighters can come back from defeats
but they dont have to lose to prove it in the first place...

Co-sign homey.

[Bushbaby]

Look at all the all time greats,almost 99% have an L!!!I respect and believe,that a loss has never taking away how great a fighter is!!9 times out of 10,the loss is because they have thrown down with the best compitition available in a close fight and lost a decision!!U can pamper and nurse a faulty resume,with limited opposition and come out undefeated and ur greatness can be debated for a lifetime!!Look at Floyd and JC,they will probably never be ranked an ATG because of weak resumes!!Hagler,SSR,SRL,all have L's,Ali,the list goes on forever,but u cannot even debate how great they were!!Floyd has always looked good,but every fighter on his resume,he was suposed to beat,knowing that,really,how high can u rank him,without debate??

[deuce_drop]

We can't be sure how great a fighter is until he lose

yes, i believe so.

not necessary because, what does it actually prove? that he has flaws and was beaten? i believe we cant be sure how great a fighter is until he fights fellow great fighters and then if he is successful we know the answer. The problem with most undefeated fighters they leave to many questions and unanswered challenges. Joe calzaghe for example should fight Hopkins again and Mayweather should fight a number of fighters really, especially Mosley and cotto to prove to us is he really as good as he says and as good has his talent leads us to believe. However Ricardo Lopez was probably the only fighter to leave no question marks that's what makes him so great.

first off, nice pic of The Hawk Julian Jackson, he's one of my all time favorites. but i have to defend what old boy was saying about having a loss to see or define if someone is great or not through that statement, or what it means, to me anyway.
i think that it in order to see if someone is truly great they have to go through what is considered the hardest part of boxing, seeing what you're made of after a loss. a fighter can't say that he's seen everything and done everything in boxing when they have never had to overcome the adversity of dealing with a loss. avenging a loss is tough for a fighter physically and even more mentally.
having beaten everyone you've ever faced, makes one wonder if they've been truly challenged, now, i'm not calling out any fighter, before someone gets all emotional about their favorite fighter, so chill out, i'm making a point about having to go through EVERYTHING that there is to go through in boxing, sports, or any kind of competition between participants. if you're winning every fight, you're the favorite in the vast majority of your fights, and although it's hard to raise to the occasion to win each time, but it's harder for a fighter to raise above a defeat and self doubt, lack of confidence, knowing that you have a loss and more is riding the on the fight. there are emotions that have to be overcome and dealt with, emotions one will never experience if they win all the time, i'm not saying going undefeated isnt a great thing, but, how would someone who is considered great deal with defeat.
there are a tons of fighters who were considered great and thought of as indestructible, until we saw how they handled dealing with a loss, or how their career went after their first loss. Trinidad and Hamed are two that come to mind, two fighters that people thought they were great, but never did anything to uphold their career prior to the loss, their careers went into obscurity.
A GREAT FIGHTER DOES GREAT THINGS AFTER A LOSS..................... everyone is great prior to a loss, but ARE THEY GREAT AFTER DEALING WITH A LOSS??????

[FLY TY]

not necessary because, what does it actually prove? that he has flaws and was beaten? i believe we cant be sure how great a fighter is until he fights fellow great fighters and then if he is successful we know the answer. The problem with most undefeated fighters they leave to many questions and unanswered challenges. Joe calzaghe for example should fight Hopkins again and Mayweather should fight a number of fighters really, especially Mosley and cotto to prove to us is he really as good as he says and as good has his talent leads us to believe. However Ricardo Lopez was probably the only fighter to leave no question marks that's what makes him so great.

yes....cosign.

but let me add, you can also tell the greatness of a fighter by HOW they lose......

take hopkins for example, all his losses seem to be disputed, or close SD. being not able to be beaten decisively, says a lot about a fighter also.

[aether]

ok... seems like most of you misunderstood the original post. it says we CAN'T BE SURE HOW GREAT A FIGHTER IS IF HE IS UNDEFEATED. never said an undefeated fighter can't be great

[aether]

yes, i believe so.




first off, nice pic of The Hawk Julian Jackson, he's one of my all time favorites. but i have to defend what old boy was saying about having a loss to see or define if someone is great or not through that statement, or what it means, to me anyway.
i think that it in order to see if someone is truly great they have to go through what is considered the hardest part of boxing, seeing what you're made of after a loss. a fighter can't say that he's seen everything and done everything in boxing when they have never had to overcome the adversity of dealing with a loss. avenging a loss is tough for a fighter physically and even more mentally.
having beaten everyone you've ever faced, makes one wonder if they've been truly challenged, now, i'm not calling out any fighter, before someone gets all emotional about their favorite fighter, so chill out, i'm making a point about having to go through EVERYTHING that there is to go through in boxing, sports, or any kind of competition between participants. if you're winning every fight, you're the favorite in the vast majority of your fights, and although it's hard to raise to the occasion to win each time, but it's harder for a fighter to raise above a defeat and self doubt, lack of confidence, knowing that you have a loss and more is riding the on the fight. there are emotions that have to be overcome and dealt with, emotions one will never experience if they win all the time, i'm not saying going undefeated isnt a great thing, but, how would someone who is considered great deal with defeat.
there are a tons of fighters who were considered great and thought of as indestructible, until we saw how they handled dealing with a loss, or how their career went after their first loss. Trinidad and Hamed are two that come to mind, two fighters that people thought they were great, but never did anything to uphold their career prior to the loss, their careers went into obscurity.
A GREAT FIGHTER DOES GREAT THINGS AFTER A LOSS..................... everyone is great prior to a loss, but ARE THEY GREAT AFTER DEALING WITH A LOSS??????

i agree with this 100%