losing fights nowadays really stinks for the fighters.

[T-97]

Yea, boxing fans seem to put too much stock in being undefeated, there's an obsession with the precious '0', meaning anyone without it....is a bum, exposed etc.

[TintaBoricua]

People tend to think that. The reality is it depends who you lose against, and how.

Pavlik lost against B-Hop, no shame in that. What was sad was the way he lost...got practically shut out. :S

But yeah, I know what you're sayin'.

BTW, where IS Andy Lee? Haven't seen him since Vera stopped him...

[MANGLER]

As long as ******ity exists, fighters will always be written off after a loss.

[Haglerwins]

I only partially agree with this. It's the fighter themselves/fans/media who flaunt that "0" that really cause these flares up when a loss takes place. Throw your undefeated record in my face, then you better have the bite to back up the bark when it comes to your level of competition. Leave no rock unturned if there are reasonable challenges in front of you. You won't get my respect otherwise. And especially with how easy undefeated fighters nowadays are placed over top ATGs with their only 40 - 40+ win records and above average comp.

However, if you're fighting to fight the best/be the best, not really sweating the W/L and just staying on the grind, you'll maintain the highest levels of respect all around.

[dc6112]

I only partially agree with this. It's the fighter themselves/fans/media who flaunt that "0" that really cause these flares up when a loss takes place. Throw your undefeated record in my face, then you better have the bite to back up the bite when it comes to your level of competition. Leave no rock unturned if there are reasonable challenges in front of you. You won't get my respect otherwise. And especially with how easy undefeated fighter's nowadays are placed over top ATGs with their only 40 - 40+ win records and above average comp.

However, if you're fighting to fight the best/be the best, not really sweating the W/L and just staying on the grind, you'll maintain the highest levels of respect all around.

I agree with this 100%. People nowadays seem to forget that all the greats of the past, with the exception of Rocky Marciano, has at least one loss on their record. Ali lost when he was still relatively young to Frazier, Robinson lost to LaMotta when he was still a very capable champ, and there are dozens of others on this list. one loss is just that, one loss. If a fighter tries to make his whole career more than it is because of the "0" (Floyd Mayweather comes to mind immediately) than he will fall twice as hard. It is a give and take sport.

[TheCheetah]

Pavlik will be back

[Fenom]

yea.. theres always that initial bum talk after a lost.. only way to get past it is to keep winning

like Pac-Man, Marg, Hopkins, all fighters who lost bouts early in their careers

[Haglerwins]

I agree with this 100%. People nowadays seem to forget that all the greats of the past, with the exception of Rocky Marciano, has at least one loss on their record. Ali lost when he was still relatively young to Frazier, Robinson lost to LaMotta when he was still a very capable champ, and there are dozens of others on this list. one loss is just that, one loss. If a fighter tries to make his whole career more than it is because of the "0" (Floyd Mayweather comes to mind immediately) than he will fall twice as hard. It is a give and take sport.

Floyd is definitely one of them, but he's not the worst of them. Man was I pissed when I made that post. A bunch of grammar/punctuation errors. This is why I ****s with 'Nard, Shane, Pac, Wiliams and all of the other fighters who are more concerned with their legacies and FIGHT instead of this other crap. These guys want to let their resume speak for them, not just their record. I will always hold that in higher regard because the more you fight the more the likelyhood you'll come across an equal and then we really get to see what the fighter is made of. Nobody can say **** to you if you're that kind of fighter.

I'm not touching Marciano, but I sure as hell wouldn't stand no ****ing Joe Calzaghe next to him. Rock was completely confident in his abilities and he earned that "0" in some hellacious fights even if I think he could have fought on.

[Pullcounter]

losing is a big deal, but what matters most is how they do after they lose

[Feint]

I agree, people write off boxers way too quickly nowadays and it’s a shame. But I will also say that a big part of the problem is the limited exposure boxing receives from the media. This would happen a lot less if people got to see fighters on their way up so to better judge their abilities and staying power.