damn..so is b-hop p4p#3 now since joe retired???

[hammerhiem]

I don't expect Bhop will be far behind Cal in retiring which puts Mosley upto 5 based on beating a guy who's been top 10 for 1 fight, now THAT is shocking.

[DarchinyFAN]

If Marquez loses to Diaz and Manny loses to Hatton, and Hopkins gets an impressive win.........

[larryx]

Why is marquez in at number 2? He lost twice to pac man. He beat an old casamayor who had lost against a bum in st. Cruz or something like that and he got a gift decision, and marquez up to the 11th round was maybe up a point and that puts him in the 2 or 3 spot p4p?

he lost 1 time to pacman a sd..the first fight was a draw..he was knocked down 3 times in the first fight..which means he boxed pacmans ears off...got knocked down 1 time in the rematch and lost a sd..which means he outboxed pacman..jmm is the lineal champ at 135..pacman beat ****n david diaz....anything else??

[THe TRiNiTY]

Why is marquez in at number 2? He lost twice to pac man. He beat an old casamayor who had lost against a bum in st. Cruz or something like that and he got a gift decision, and marquez up to the 11th round was maybe up a point and that puts him in the 2 or 3 spot p4p?

He's won more rounds against the p4p guy then any other fighter to ever face him. Morales and Barrera included.

He's the TRUE champion at 135, fought for the true title and knocked out the belt holder. Is it his fault the belt holder happens to be old?

He's now fighting Diaz, with hopes of Barrera or Campbell. Depending on how that plays out.

Solid win over Juarez, as well.

Also, when you lose to John, if he improves in terms of what he accomplishes, then you do the same. It means that a person, who wasn't a bum, beat you and you're still there. If he beats Juarez, first fight in America, in his state. Marquez also benefits from that.

Virtually, anyone who has accomplished what Marquez has RECENTLY, is probably less in their prime then he is, therefore, he gets the 2 spot.

[larryx]

If Marquez loses to Diaz and Manny loses to Hatton, and Hopkins gets an impressive win.........

hopkins doesnt even have to fight..if they both lose he's p4p#1..lol

[VaBoriKua 2.0]

He won more rounds but he still got knocked down. Also that was a gift decision cause even the ref said he made a mistake when scoring the scorecard it doesnt matter if he won rounds or not he still got a gift decision in the first one. Also i believe hopkins should be in the 2 spot the last couple years i believe he won the first taylor fight. He knocked out tarver then he had a close lost to calslappy (which im glad he retired) and came back by beating the hell out of pavlik.

[larryx]

He won more rounds but he still got knocked down. Also that was a gift decision cause even the ref said he made a mistake when scoring the scorecard it doesnt matter if he won rounds or not he still got a gift decision in the first one. Also i believe hopkins should be in the 2 spot the last couple years i believe he won the first taylor fight. He knocked out tarver then he had a close lost to calslappy (which im glad he retired) and came back by beating the hell out of pavlik.

hopkins didnt ko tarver it was a shut out decision

[VaBoriKua 2.0]

hopkins didnt ko tarver it was a shut out decision

i meant knockd down tarvver and won pretty much every round

[THe TRiNiTY]

You say that you believe Hopkins won the first Taylor fight. Now, I say Marquez won the first fight with Pacquiao and the second.

Point is, you can't choose what to take and what not to take as a fair win, that's too biased.

Furthermore, Marquez is simply closer to his prime, which is factored into the p4p.

[El Dominicano]

wow a 44 year old p4p#3!!!!thats insane

Nope. It is

Pac
B-Hop
JMM
Izzy

From there on it is complicated