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  • "Fighting Words" – What Boxing Can Learn from the UFC

    by David P. Greisman - LAS VEGAS – The music, rock and roll heavy with aggressive guitar, reverberated through the arena. The fans roared. There were few empty seats in sight. Soon there would be none, not with nearly 15,000 people in attendance.

    The atmosphere was already electric. And the first fight on the undercard had yet to begin.

    One week before, a boxing match between Antonio Margarito and Shane Mosley had brought in 20,820 people, the largest crowd ever to an event at the Staples Center in Los Angeles. The successful promotion was a rare exception to what has become the rule for major fights in America.

    On this night in Las Vegas, Ultimate Fighting Championship, or UFC, packed 14,885 into the MGM Grand Garden Arena, drawing knowledgeable, vocal and dedicated fans from near and far to see UFC 94, a show headlined by a rematch between Georges St. Pierre and B.J. Penn. The successful promotion was yet another for the standard bearer of mixed martial arts, or MMA.

    Nearly two years ago I wrote of the relationship between boxing and MMA, of two unnecessary themes seen in mainstream coverage of both sports: that boxing is on the decline and is desperately in need of saving, and that MMA is experiencing a meteoric rise that may lead to the sunset of the Sweet Science

    Boxing has indeed stagnated in the States. And MMA indeed continues to grow. But those who love boxing shouldn’t feel threatened. As I wrote then, the two combat sports need not collide in a sort of commercial rivalry, not when they can coexist in a market that caters to both the old and new definitions of “hardcore fight fan.” There are some who only like boxing. There are some who only like MMA. And there are many who like both and can appreciate the strengths and recognize the weaknesses in each. [details]

  • #2
    All the St. Pierre-Penn PPV would teach boxing is how to put on the ****tiest event in over 3 years.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by nathan_nall View Post
      All the St. Pierre-Penn PPV would teach boxing is how to put on the ****tiest event in over 3 years.
      And I would think the MMA fans would disagree with you. That place was electric. And people were into almost all of the matches (except Parisyan-Kim) even if none were instant classics.

      And the card, matchmaking wise, was far better than anything boxing's put on in a long, long time.

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      • #4
        The difference between boxing and MMA is the quality of the undercard.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mr. David View Post
          And I would think the MMA fans would disagree with you. That place was electric. And people were into almost all of the matches (except Parisyan-Kim) even if none were instant classics.

          And the card, matchmaking wise, was far better than anything boxing's put on in a long, long time.
          No, I'm definately not downing MMA. In my first post I was actually going to say the card was ****ty. Truth is, the card was a really great card. I was FLOORED when, at nights end, the actual fights were so bad, despite the fantastic card. Obviously I'm a boxing fan first, and MMA fan... like fifth, but I try not to hate.

          The Card = 8 out of 10
          The Actual Fights = 5 out of 10
          The Headliner (St. Pierre-Penn) = 3 out of 10

          Honestly, there was no excuse for that fight. After the first round, I said Penn has no business fighting at that weight. After the stoppage, I said Penn has no business fighting... ever again.

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          • #6
            Promotion!!!!

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            • #7
              I agree, MMA does put on a good show with good competative fights. Boxing needs to stop being greedy and put on great bouts. IMO However MMA is like checkers while Boxing is more like chess.

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              • #8
                Diehard boxing fans/UFC haters will use the excuse that UFC doesnt pay its fighters accordingly, therefore they can afford to put on better quality fights. Ok, and how is this a bad thing for its fans? If the fighters are willing to get in there, and put on an entertaining show for less money than in boxing, why should i give a ****? They make it seem as if paying them less is a bad thing for the fans. I dont get it.

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                • #9
                  Nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Puntoyhauf View Post
                    The difference between boxing and MMA is the quality of the undercard.
                    The difference between buying a pay-per-view for a fight and buying it for a show. The UFC pay-per-views are regular and successful because they're quality.

                    Originally posted by nathan_nall View Post
                    No, I'm definately not downing MMA. In my first post I was actually going to say the card was ****ty. Truth is, the card was a really great card. I was FLOORED when, at nights end, the actual fights were so bad, despite the fantastic card. Obviously I'm a boxing fan first, and MMA fan... like fifth, but I try not to hate.

                    The Card = 8 out of 10
                    The Actual Fights = 5 out of 10
                    The Headliner (St. Pierre-Penn) = 3 out of 10

                    Honestly, there was no excuse for that fight. After the first round, I said Penn has no business fighting at that weight. After the stoppage, I said Penn has no business fighting... ever again.
                    Penn and St. Pierre had been competitive at that weight before. But St. Pierre has just gotten so much better that he's able to use his size and strength to be a schoolyard bully to Penn.

                    Thanks for your clarification. I'd rather have good matches turn out to be ehhh fights than have the equivalent of the De La Hoya-Pacquiao or Calzaghe-Jones undercards.

                    And thanks for reading, by the way.

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