I Think Margarito Took a Dive!

[mrlopez]

Look dude no excuses margarito was out done in the ring on saturday he did not take a dive! Second you said they made bets at 745 pm that's right before the fight, betting for fights shut down WAAAY before the main event. Second you mentioned the Arellano drug cartel based out of Tijuana. You do know all but one of these guys are dead right? and the brother alive just got released form USA prison not too long ago and is not a main factor in the drug cartel business anymore and would not have much pull anywhere especially in the united states where he just spent like 15 years in jail.

This thread is ***en ******ed.

Give mosley his credit! It's a shame that such a great fight by shane is being clouded by all this controversy!

You act like just because the head leader and top lieutenants is dead or locked up means that the gang dies? gtfoh, this aint no ***in movie. have you been to TJ or live anywhere in San Diego? Arrellano-Felix is a mu***in beast out there. Read the newspapers out of tj or san diego and they are alive and makin moves. Its a damn shame you try to throw salt on **** u dont know about. logan heights is killers for the cartel, Encanto is others, i can name a few others too but whats the point? you know that they aint doin nothin cause the head dudes in jail and others are dead right?
you lost this one.


As for the whole conspiracy, if you dont believe some fights are fixed then you're only fooling yourself.

i give and gave Shane props for having the game plan and executuing it, thats been stated, i also said that the Cotto/Marg could have taken a lot out of both of them...we wont really be able to see what cotto has left when he fights the walkthrough unknown jennings, but when he steps up and is in a real battle, then we'll see how much he really has left

[HappyBoxingFan]

You act like just because the head leader and top lieutenants is dead or locked up means that the gang dies? gtfoh, this aint no ***in movie. have you been to TJ or live anywhere in San Diego? Arrellano-Felix is a mu***in beast out there. Read the newspapers out of tj or san diego and they are alive and makin moves. Its a damn shame you try to throw salt on **** u dont know about. logan heights is killers for the cartel, Encanto is others, i can name a few others too but whats the point? you know that they aint doin nothin cause the head dudes in jail and others are dead right?
you lost this one.


As for the whole conspiracy, if you dont believe some fights are fixed then you're only fooling yourself.

i give and gave Shane props for having the game plan and executuing it, thats been stated, i also said that the Cotto/Marg could have taken a lot out of both of them...we wont really be able to see what cotto has left when he fights the walkthrough unknown jennings, but when he steps up and is in a real battle, then we'll see how much he really has left

Here's an example of a cartel fixing one of Margarito's earlier fights: http://www.laprensa-sandiego.org/arc...-16/shadow.htm

[DrewWoodside]

Wow, after all of these posts, this great point has been overlooked.

Why would Margarito throw a fight when he was allegedly caught trying to cheat? Obviously placing foreign objects in your hand wraps underlines a desperate desire to win.

This was actually "explained" on page 21 of this monstorous thread: See the second bullet.. too come clean a little.. on some of these points I had been very ******* in my interpretations!

1.) The week Margarito is supposed to sign the contract for this fight he goes missing. Several boxing fans fear he was kidnapped or fell victim to drug cartels. (Anyone reading boxingscene the week before this fight was official will remember this. It seemed ridiculous then but it might make sense in light recent events) Perhaps he was busy negotiating the dive with the Arellano Drug Cartel.
2.) The Alibi: Margarito allows himself to be caught redhanded with loaded handwraps in a fight he is considered a heavy favorite. Likely an effort to draw attention away from the dive.
3.) Most fans did not even recognize the fighter in the ring that night. A lot of insiders and fans acknowledge he did not look like Margarito. Punch output was suspect.
4.) The confession: "I wanted to get knocked out!" Sounds like he went in there with a gameplan.
5.) The Arellano drug cartel is a vicious and ruthless organization: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tijuana_Cartel

Consider it.

[HappyBoxingFan]

This was actually "explained" on page 21 of this monstorous thread: See the second bullet.. too come clean a little.. on some of these points I had been very ******* in my interpretations!

1.) The week Margarito is supposed to sign the contract for this fight he goes missing. Several boxing fans fear he was kidnapped or fell victim to drug cartels. (Anyone reading boxingscene the week before this fight was official will remember this. It seemed ridiculous then but it might make sense in light recent events) Perhaps he was busy negotiating the dive with the Arellano Drug Cartel.
2.) The Alibi: Margarito allows himself to be caught redhanded with loaded handwraps in a fight he is considered a heavy favorite. Likely an effort to draw attention away from the dive.
3.) Most fans did not even recognize the fighter in the ring that night. A lot of insiders and fans acknowledge he did not look like Margarito. Punch output was suspect.
4.) The confession: "I wanted to get knocked out!" Sounds like he went in there with a gameplan.
5.) The Arellano drug cartel is a vicious and ruthless organization: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tijuana_Cartel

Consider it.

Antonio Margarito: Dark Shadows of a Champion

By Fiona Manning


WBO welterweight champion Antonio Margarito has often been overshadowed by some of his flashier counterparts.


The talented Tijuana-based, LA-born fighter 29-3, 20 KOs who defends his title against unbeaten Canadian slugger Hercules Kyvalos 22-0, 11 KOs on Saturday January 31, looked finally to be getting his props. That was until his promotional company Top Rank became the intense focus of an FBI raid last week.


Margarito, who held a press workout at the LA Boxing Club on Tuesday was happy to talk about anything and everything. However the media – of which there wer few - were warned that he and Top Rank personnel were not permitted to discuss the scandal.


Once again the quiet man of boxing has been overshadowed.


While Margarito can only hope nothing derails his fight scheduled for the “HBO Boxing After Dark” card to be held at the Dodge Theatre in Phoenix, Arizona, the facts surrounding the FBI probe cannot be ignored.


The facts are these: last Tuesday, the FBI swarmed Top Rank’s Las Vegas headquarters and seized computers, financial documents, contracts, medical records, and videotapes.


Rumors flew that it was the Oscar de la Hoya versus Shane Mosley fight from September last year (in which Mosley won a questionable decision) was being investigated.



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Antonio Margarito, overshadowed by outside events. Photo by German Villesenor

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At the time promoter and Top Rank CEO Bob Arum accused the state of Nevada of fixing the fight. Boxing insiders assumed his claims were finally being examined.


When it was discovered the retried fighter Joey Torres was an official informant, it was assumed it was his April 22, 2002 debacle against Perry Williams that was under scrutiny.


Torres, 44, who had served over 20 years for murder was released and signed with Top Rank in a big, splashy campaign. His first fight was against Williams who appeared to take a dive in the second round. His purse was withheld pending an investigation but Williams was eventually paid. Neither fighter has fought since.


ESPN2 boxing analyst Teddy Atlas said on the air Friday night that his sources tell him the FBI probe actually revolves around a September 2001 Jorge Paez KO3 win over Verdell Smith in Mexico, not De La Hoya-Mosley.


Interestingly, no other media outlet seems to realize the corner man for this fight was none other than Verdell Smith.


Promoter Bob Arum returned from vacation in South Africa to a hornets nest after the FBI raid and issued the following statement: “Upon Mr. Arum’s return to Las Vegas, he stated that Top Rank has done nothing wrong.


“Top Rank does not know the scope of the government’s investigation. Top Rank is lawfully cooperating with that investigation. Top Rank will not comment on or respond to the rumors, speculations, and unverified allegations appearing in the media.


Top Rank will continue to focus on its business of promoting its boxers and fights and appreciates all the support it has received from the boxing industry.”


This week, it emerged that the probe actually began in 2001 after former world champion Paez and journeyman Smith fought.


Sources close to the investigation say that underworld figures were notified of an alleged fix in the bout. The New York Daily News reported this week that an undercover NYPD detective posed as a ‘wiseguy’ to infiltrate the Las Vegas underworld.


Paez won the September 7 bout with Smith via third round TKO. It was the second match between the two, with Paez, a television ratings juggernaut, winning a close decision over Smith in April of 2001.


Smith, who appeared on Top Rank cards before and after the bout, would later take on Julio Diaz, Jose Luis Castillo, and Dmitriy Salita, though as of yet, there is no indication that these fights are part of the FBI probe.


Oklahoma City’s Smith, with a lifetime record of 44-84-4, with 17 KOs, has also fought under the aliases of Tim Brooks and Tommy Bowles. Smith, who lost 12 out of 13 times (one no contest) to Indiana’s Marty Jakubowski, was part of a slew of fighters written about in 1997 by Katherine Dunn.


“The demand for bi-pedal punching bags is so great that some booking agents, often called “Meat Packers,” specialize in providing guaranteed losers in all sizes,” wrote Dunn in the newspaper PDXS.


“An investigation published in February, 1997 by Oklahoma state boxing regulators reported that an Oklahoma meat packer named Sean Gibbons—a cousin of former lightweight champ and ex-USA cable boxing commentator Sean O’Grady —ran a revolving stable of bad-to-mediocre boxers who traveled the mid-west pretending to fight each other under phony names, creating fraudulent wins for fictitious fighters with “respectable” records, who could then fall down in front of protected boxers, often on televised cards.”


Ironically, Gibbons, a long-time affiliate of Top Rank, was implicated in a 1999 article about fight fixing written by Ken Rodriguez in the Miami Herald.


As Rodriguez wrote, “Two former heavyweights, Andre Smiley and Mike Smith, threw fights at the behest of Sean Gibbons, a matchmaker with Top Rank Inc. Smiley told The Herald that Gibbons offered him bonuses during fights to fall down. Smith told the Oklahoma Department of Labor that Gibbons routinely asked him to throw fights.”


Gibbons denied the fighters’ charge, calling it ‘A complete lie.’


On Tuesday, he was terminated from Top Rank – again overshadowing what should have been Margarito’s big day.


Very few boxing media turned up to the workout but Margarito and his merry band of men including trainer Jose Capetillo - who only goes by Capetillo – were still in the gym, business as usual.


“I was never in a fixed fight,” said Margarito quickly. “It must be very difficult for the fighters concerned to have all this going on. For me, it’s very distracting because I am fighting for my life.”


Margarito feels he is finally getting the big fights, the big names and wants nothing to prevent his ascension to greatness.


“I hope the fans can wait and see what happens and I hope that this does not ruin the sport of boxing,” he said. “There are many good people and many good things which have come from this sport.”

[Mr. Ryan]

This was actually "explained" on page 21 of this monstorous thread: See the second bullet.. too come clean a little.. on some of these points I had been very ******* in my interpretations!

1.) The week Margarito is supposed to sign the contract for this fight he goes missing. Several boxing fans fear he was kidnapped or fell victim to drug cartels. (Anyone reading boxingscene the week before this fight was official will remember this. It seemed ridiculous then but it might make sense in light recent events) Perhaps he was busy negotiating the dive with the Arellano Drug Cartel.
2.) The Alibi: Margarito allows himself to be caught redhanded with loaded handwraps in a fight he is considered a heavy favorite. Likely an effort to draw attention away from the dive.
3.) Most fans did not even recognize the fighter in the ring that night. A lot of insiders and fans acknowledge he did not look like Margarito. Punch output was suspect.
4.) The confession: "I wanted to get knocked out!" Sounds like he went in there with a gameplan.
5.) The Arellano drug cartel is a vicious and ruthless organization: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tijuana_Cartel

Consider it.

It just sounds like a far-fetched conspiracy theory. How does a drug cartel get involved? Are there any documents linking Margarito to this organization? Have they ever been involved with fight fixing before?

Margarito didn't look like the Margarito who fought Cotto because Mosley didn't allow him to look like it. Mosley fought him the right way, he didn't run from Margarito, he backed him up with his bigger punches and faster hands and superior balance. Margarito never had a chance.

Mosley has been calling Margarito out forever, he has wanted this fight for a long time. Once it became a financially sound fight, Mosley went right after it. Margarito initially wouldn't sign for the fight.

[mrlopez]

Mosley has been calling Margarito out forever, he has wanted this fight for a long time.

^^^
You got that wrong, its actually the other way around, Mosely wanted nothing to do with margarito, marg was the one calling him out, for a long time....

"be careful what you wish for"

[Mr. Ryan]

Did you read this article? Never once was Margarito implicated in a fixed fights scandal. The article was centered around Margarito preparing for a fight while Top Rank was under investigation for funny fights.

Antonio Margarito: Dark Shadows of a Champion

By Fiona Manning


WBO welterweight champion Antonio Margarito has often been overshadowed by some of his flashier counterparts.


The talented Tijuana-based, LA-born fighter 29-3, 20 KOs who defends his title against unbeaten Canadian slugger Hercules Kyvalos 22-0, 11 KOs on Saturday January 31, looked finally to be getting his props. That was until his promotional company Top Rank became the intense focus of an FBI raid last week.


Margarito, who held a press workout at the LA Boxing Club on Tuesday was happy to talk about anything and everything. However the media – of which there wer few - were warned that he and Top Rank personnel were not permitted to discuss the scandal.


Once again the quiet man of boxing has been overshadowed.


While Margarito can only hope nothing derails his fight scheduled for the “HBO Boxing After Dark” card to be held at the Dodge Theatre in Phoenix, Arizona, the facts surrounding the FBI probe cannot be ignored.


The facts are these: last Tuesday, the FBI swarmed Top Rank’s Las Vegas headquarters and seized computers, financial documents, contracts, medical records, and videotapes.


Rumors flew that it was the Oscar de la Hoya versus Shane Mosley fight from September last year (in which Mosley won a questionable decision) was being investigated.



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Antonio Margarito, overshadowed by outside events. Photo by German Villesenor

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

At the time promoter and Top Rank CEO Bob Arum accused the state of Nevada of fixing the fight. Boxing insiders assumed his claims were finally being examined.


When it was discovered the retried fighter Joey Torres was an official informant, it was assumed it was his April 22, 2002 debacle against Perry Williams that was under scrutiny.


Torres, 44, who had served over 20 years for murder was released and signed with Top Rank in a big, splashy campaign. His first fight was against Williams who appeared to take a dive in the second round. His purse was withheld pending an investigation but Williams was eventually paid. Neither fighter has fought since.


ESPN2 boxing analyst Teddy Atlas said on the air Friday night that his sources tell him the FBI probe actually revolves around a September 2001 Jorge Paez KO3 win over Verdell Smith in Mexico, not De La Hoya-Mosley.


Interestingly, no other media outlet seems to realize the corner man for this fight was none other than Verdell Smith.


Promoter Bob Arum returned from vacation in South Africa to a hornets nest after the FBI raid and issued the following statement: “Upon Mr. Arum’s return to Las Vegas, he stated that Top Rank has done nothing wrong.


“Top Rank does not know the scope of the government’s investigation. Top Rank is lawfully cooperating with that investigation. Top Rank will not comment on or respond to the rumors, speculations, and unverified allegations appearing in the media.


Top Rank will continue to focus on its business of promoting its boxers and fights and appreciates all the support it has received from the boxing industry.”


This week, it emerged that the probe actually began in 2001 after former world champion Paez and journeyman Smith fought.


Sources close to the investigation say that underworld figures were notified of an alleged fix in the bout. The New York Daily News reported this week that an undercover NYPD detective posed as a ‘wiseguy’ to infiltrate the Las Vegas underworld.


Paez won the September 7 bout with Smith via third round TKO. It was the second match between the two, with Paez, a television ratings juggernaut, winning a close decision over Smith in April of 2001.


Smith, who appeared on Top Rank cards before and after the bout, would later take on Julio Diaz, Jose Luis Castillo, and Dmitriy Salita, though as of yet, there is no indication that these fights are part of the FBI probe.


Oklahoma City’s Smith, with a lifetime record of 44-84-4, with 17 KOs, has also fought under the aliases of Tim Brooks and Tommy Bowles. Smith, who lost 12 out of 13 times (one no contest) to Indiana’s Marty Jakubowski, was part of a slew of fighters written about in 1997 by Katherine Dunn.


“The demand for bi-pedal punching bags is so great that some booking agents, often called “Meat Packers,” specialize in providing guaranteed losers in all sizes,” wrote Dunn in the newspaper PDXS.


“An investigation published in February, 1997 by Oklahoma state boxing regulators reported that an Oklahoma meat packer named Sean Gibbons—a cousin of former lightweight champ and ex-USA cable boxing commentator Sean O’Grady —ran a revolving stable of bad-to-mediocre boxers who traveled the mid-west pretending to fight each other under phony names, creating fraudulent wins for fictitious fighters with “respectable” records, who could then fall down in front of protected boxers, often on televised cards.”


Ironically, Gibbons, a long-time affiliate of Top Rank, was implicated in a 1999 article about fight fixing written by Ken Rodriguez in the Miami Herald.


As Rodriguez wrote, “Two former heavyweights, Andre Smiley and Mike Smith, threw fights at the behest of Sean Gibbons, a matchmaker with Top Rank Inc. Smiley told The Herald that Gibbons offered him bonuses during fights to fall down. Smith told the Oklahoma Department of Labor that Gibbons routinely asked him to throw fights.”


Gibbons denied the fighters’ charge, calling it ‘A complete lie.’


On Tuesday, he was terminated from Top Rank – again overshadowing what should have been Margarito’s big day.


Very few boxing media turned up to the workout but Margarito and his merry band of men including trainer Jose Capetillo - who only goes by Capetillo – were still in the gym, business as usual.


“I was never in a fixed fight,” said Margarito quickly. “It must be very difficult for the fighters concerned to have all this going on. For me, it’s very distracting because I am fighting for my life.”


Margarito feels he is finally getting the big fights, the big names and wants nothing to prevent his ascension to greatness.


“I hope the fans can wait and see what happens and I hope that this does not ruin the sport of boxing,” he said. “There are many good people and many good things which have come from this sport.”

[Mr. Ryan]

^^^
You got that wrong, its actually the other way around, Mosely wanted nothing to do with margarito, marg was the one calling him out, for a long time....

"be careful what you wish for"

After the Cotto fight Mosley was all about the Margarito fight. Granted before that Margarito was a high risk/low reward fighter. But Mosley went out there and showed the perfect game plan, which was to whip his opponent's ass.

[DrewWoodside]

Did you read this article? Never once was Margarito implicated in a fixed fights scandal. The article was centered around Margarito preparing for a fight while Top Rank was under investigation for funny fights.

Happy's elliteracy is nothing to joke about.. it's a sad and unfortunate epidemic.

[Mr. Ryan]

Happy's elliteracy is nothing to joke about.. it's a sad and unfortunate epidemic.

He is the Michael Jordan of illiteracy.