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  • Technical_Skill
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    Putting Mosley Into Context

    Shane Mosley is a good fighter but people need to put his victory over Margarito into context.

    A win over Margarito doesn't mean a rematch win over cotto or a win over Mayweather, shane fought a fighter who was made for him in terms of style.
    Who knows what Margarito had left after the war with cotto, ones things for sure, I havent seen shane struggle against sluggish, wide punching fighters who pride themselves on taking punishment so It wasnt a miracle he completley outclassed Margarito.

    Mosley still makes the same mistakes that a prime cotto or mayweather would expose. He still relies on reflexes which wont get him out of trouble against highly skilled fighters, he still walks in hands low head right up, he still leaves himself wide open at times when throwing combinations. He got away with this without getting hurt on sat night, but if you watch the fight closley Margarito did catch him occasionally with silly jabs and hooks because mosley came in head up hands low or was busy throwing punches and forgot about what would come back in return.

    A guy like Cotto will set up the jab on Mosley breaking up the opportunities Mosley has to fire combinations. Mayweather would use the right hand continuously on shane who wouldnt have the reflexes to avoid that shot for 12 rounds, because shane would try to lean away from it, rather than block it with gloves.

    Shane fought a good fight using lateral movement to keep himself off the ropes, but Margarito is always there to be hit, that win is a case of Margarito being vastly overrated and possibly taking a few too many punches before he got in the ring.

    Shane still makes those mistakes, once he fights the right guy, I think those mistakes will be exposed again. People should put his in over Margarito into context before getting carried away.
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    #2
    Had Cotto - Mosley fight been on the west coast Mosley would have won. Cotto barely beat Mosley.

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    • Technical_Skill
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      Originally posted by Flawless.
      Had Cotto - Mosley fight been on the west coast Mosley would have won. Cotto barely beat Mosley.
      I had it for cotto by 2/3 points, havent seen much to make me think shane would overturn that decision.

      The challenge Margarito poses to shane and the challenge cotto possesses are far different. Cotto brings a better jab, more evasiveness, just better all round boxing skills in general. Mosley has struggled a few times against fighters who set up a jab on him.

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      • Silencers
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        Yes, Mosley isn't invincible after the win but I think he's much harder to beat now than he was prior to hiring Richardson to train him and I really believe that he'll beat Cotto in a rematch, I think Cotto fought the best he could in that fight and barely won (I had it 115-113 for Cotto), while I think Mosley could have fought a better fight, if they fight again, I'm sure he can fight a better fight and will win the fight.

        A fight against Mayweather is a different thing though, I would pick Mayweather to beat him but, if his speed and power remain the way they are now and with Richardson in his corner, he could win that fight.

        And I thought Richardson worked on Mosley's habit of keeping his left hand low, he kept it higher in the fight, he did drop it once in a while but he kept it up more than I have seen him do and his jab was the best I've ever seen it, I think he's improved technically with Richardson and as long as he doesn't age overnight, I think he'll keep getting better with Richardson.

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          Originally posted by Silencers
          Yes, Mosley isn't invincible after the win but I think he's much harder to beat now than he was prior to hiring Richardson to train him and I really believe that he'll beat Cotto in a rematch, I think Cotto fought the best he could in that fight and barely won (I had it 115-113 for Cotto), while I think Mosley could have fought a better fight, if they fight again, I'm sure he can fight a better fight and will win the fight.

          And I thought Richardson worked on Mosley's habit of keeping his left hand low, he kept it higher in the fight, he did drop it once in a while but he kept it up more than I have seen him do and his jab was the best I've ever seen it, I think he's improved technically with Richardson and as long as he doesn't age overnight, I think he'll keep getting better with Richardson.
          Okay, Well shall see what cotto has left after the Margarito fight soon. When I watched shane fighting tony, I saw him walking in head up hands low so many times, with Limited head movement too, I dont think he can get away with that **** against a prime cotto, certainly not against mayweather.

          Think Margarito is just vastly overrated and is always there to hit, shane's good use of lateral movement and handspeed masked some basic flaws other fighters might expose imo.

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            Better than any Calzaghe win

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            • Silencers
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              #7
              Originally posted by Technical_Skill
              Okay, Well shall see what cotto has left after the Margarito fight soon. When I watched shane fighting tony, I saw him walking in head up hands low so many times, with Limited head movement too, I dont think he can get away with that **** against a prime cotto, certainly not against mayweather.

              Think Margarito is just vastly overrated and is always there to hit, shane's good use of lateral movement and handspeed masked some basic flaws other fighters might expose imo.
              Indeed, we'll see.

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              • Fi5hbone
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                All I Know is this fight was huge for Shane Mosely as far as his legacy is concerned...Very few people gave him any chance at all against Margarito so for him to not just get the victory but to destroy a guy many said was indestructable is huge for Mosely...

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Technical_Skill
                  Shane Mosley is a good fighter but people need to put his victory over Margarito into context.

                  A win over Margarito doesn't mean a rematch win over cotto or a win over Mayweather, shane fought a fighter who was made for him in terms of style.
                  Who knows what Margarito had left after the war with cotto, ones things for sure, I havent seen shane struggle against sluggish, wide punching fighters who pride themselves on taking punishment so It wasnt a miracle he completley outclassed Margarito.

                  Mosley still makes the same mistakes that a prime cotto or mayweather would expose. He still relies on reflexes which wont get him out of trouble against highly skilled fighters, he still walks in hands low head right up, he still leaves himself wide open at times when throwing combinations. He got away with this without getting hurt on sat night, but if you watch the fight closley Margarito did catch him occasionally with silly jabs and hooks because mosley came in head up hands low or was busy throwing punches and forgot about what would come back in return.

                  A guy like Cotto will set up the jab on Mosley breaking up the opportunities Mosley has to fire combinations. Mayweather would use the right hand continuously on shane who wouldnt have the reflexes to avoid that shot for 12 rounds, because shane would try to lean away from it, rather than block it with gloves.

                  Shane fought a good fight using lateral movement to keep himself off the ropes, but Margarito is always there to be hit, that win is a case of Margarito being vastly overrated and possibly taking a few too many punches before he got in the ring.

                  Shane still makes those mistakes, once he fights the right guy, I think those mistakes will be exposed again. People should put his in over Margarito into context before getting carried away.
                  Thats not really putting things in perspective, thats pointing out obvious facts about Mosleys flaws without giving him credit for a great performance. He showed a true fighting spirit, and at his age destroying Marg was sensational. I didnt think it was possible.

                  I thought he may win but not like that. Maybe it was flattering victory, but whether or not he could beat PBF or Cotto he deserves all the kudos for this win.

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                  • Technical_Skill
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Bob Anomaly
                    Thats not really putting things in perspective, thats pointing out obvious facts about Mosleys flaws without giving him credit for a great performance. He showed a true fighting spirit, and at his age destroying Marg was sensational. I didnt think it was possible.

                    I thought he may win but not like that. Maybe it was flattering victory, but whether or not he could beat PBF or Cotto he deserves all the kudos for this win.
                    1) I gave him credit for great use of lateral movement and staying off the ropes for large portions of the fight.

                    2) There are many posts stating how this performance proves mosley could handle mayweather easily etc, I highly doubt that is the case.

                    3) Margarito is there to be hit, cintron landed bombs on him in their 2nd fight, is no surprise shane mosley was able to do the same, but credit to mosley for getting the stoppage.

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