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  • ßringer
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    #21
    Originally posted by javelin_fangs
    Manny has only fought one opponent who is as big as Hatton. He's only fought two opponents who're anywhere near as big as Hatton. And he's never fought someone who's as big as Hatton who's used to walking through fire from world class fighters and still being really rough on the inside.

    I think Pacquiao will probably find a way, but he's usually able to get distance because of his strength advantage not speed. Pacquiao is fast, but if you notice he doesn't always use his speed to create distance. If you can't keep the right distance with Hatton he'll wear you down. Getting that distance is not always easy either. Mayweather made it look easy, but even a great fighter like Tszyu struggled to do it. We'll see if Pacquiao is able to do it.
    Size isn't everything in a fight, if that were the case the bigger man would never lose to the smaller man. But speed kills, and on May 2nd, it's going to kill Ricky.

    Distance has nothing to do with beating Hatton, skills do. Mayweather fought most of the fight against Ricky in a phone booth and he thrashed him. And Tszyu was very old and inactive when Ricky beat him.

    And Ricky also fouled the living piss out of Kostya in that fight, he fouled his way to victory. No fighter should be allowed to get away with the dirty **** Ricky did that night, I would've disqualified him.

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      #22
      Originally posted by The_Bringer
      Size isn't everything in a fight, if that were the case the bigger man would never lose to the smaller man. But speed kills, and on May 2nd, it's going to kill Ricky.

      Distance has nothing to do with beating Hatton, skills do. Mayweather fought most of the fight against Ricky in a phone booth and he thrashed him. And Tszyu was very old and inactive when Ricky beat him.

      And Ricky also fouled the living piss out of Kostya in that fight, he fouled his way to victory. No fighter should be allowed to get away with the dirty **** Ricky did that night, I would've disqualified him.
      This coming from a Hopkins fan?

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        #23
        Originally posted by OASIS_LAD
        This coming from a Hopkins fan?
        Please, save it.

        I'm the first to admit that Hopkins can be quite dirty on the inside.

        But I've never seen him do anything even close to what Ricky did to Kostya that night. Ricky fouled his way through the entire fight.

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          #24
          Originally posted by The_Bringer
          Size isn't everything in a fight, if that were the case the bigger man would never lose to the smaller man. But speed kills, and on May 2nd, it's going to kill Ricky.

          Distance has nothing to do with beating Hatton, skills do. Mayweather fought most of the fight against Ricky in a phone booth and he thrashed him. And Tszyu was very old and inactive when Ricky beat him.

          And Ricky also fouled the living piss out of Kostya in that fight, he fouled his way to victory. No fighter should be allowed to get away with the dirty **** Ricky did that night, I would've disqualified him.
          BS Tzsyu was very much live and had utterly destroyed the No1 LWW 6 moths before, anyone who think Tzsyu was somehow lesser than before in the Hatton fight has an agenda.

          You do not go from P4P No3 and destroying your nearest rival to old and inactive in 6 months and ten rounds.



          Last edited by hammerhiem; 01-24-2009, 12:37 PM. Reason: added 3rd round.

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            #25
            Originally posted by The_Bringer
            Please, save it.

            I'm the first to admit that Hopkins can be quite dirty on the inside.

            But I've never seen him do anything even close to what Ricky did to Kostya that night. Ricky fouled his way through the entire fight.
            Tszyu low-blowed Hatton TWICE before Hatton retaliated and Kosta (although he didn't hold as much as Ricky ) did his fair share of holding too.

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              #26
              Originally posted by The_Bringer
              Size isn't everything in a fight, if that were the case the bigger man would never lose to the smaller man. But speed kills, and on May 2nd, it's going to kill Ricky.

              Distance has nothing to do with beating Hatton, skills do. Mayweather fought most of the fight against Ricky in a phone booth and he thrashed him. And Tszyu was very old and inactive when Ricky beat him.

              And Ricky also fouled the living piss out of Kostya in that fight, he fouled his way to victory. No fighter should be allowed to get away with the dirty **** Ricky did that night, I would've disqualified him.
              Floyd was walking Hatton into shots. That's why he was walking straight back and hitting Hatton square in the middle of the face or on the hole in his jaw. Watch that fight again. You'll see that when Floyd was on his back foot he threw the right cross and when he was in the corner flat footed or on his front foot he threw the left hook.

              When they were inside Floyd didn't just do the shoulder role, but he also threw body shots and caught almost every punch with his elbows. When he needed to Floyd also shoved Hatton back. I just don't see Pacquiao fighting with that level of textbook precision. I also don't see Pacquiao making Hatton work to get into punching range the way Floyd did. That'll save Hatton from expending so much energy and getting tired.

              I agree with you that Hatton fouls a lot. The one fight where he wasn't allowed to foul half as much as usual (Mayweather fight) everyone and their mama cried about the ref. So, I bet he's allowed to foul like crazy against Pacquiao. But I thought it was interesting that he didn't foul much against Malignaggi. I don't know if that was Floyd Sr.'s influence or just that Malignaggi didn't bring much to the party.

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                #27
                Pacquiao is lethal at the moment. Speed kills and Pac will be landing Flush bombs on Hatton again from the first round.

                Watch Hatton/Malinaggi again - did you actually see a different Hatton? I certaintly didn't - he comes in square with his hands just under his chin and was getting tagged. Now we all know Malinaggi has absolutely NO power at all so Hatton could just walk through him - that was a given. With Pacquiao it's a different story.

                I mean Hatton had trouble with Lazcano, someone with reasonable power, average speed and a great chin. Just like Pacquaio will be at 140, except replace the word average with blazzing.

                To beat Pac at the moment you have to beat Roach's gameplan and the discipline he has instilled in Pac. Floyd Snr is a great coach no doubt but the Pac man will tear Hatton a new one. That's an absolute certainty.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by OASIS_LAD
                  Tszyu low-blowed Hatton TWICE before Hatton retaliated and Kosta (although he didn't hold as much as Ricky ) did his fair share of holding too.
                  You won't hear me defending Tszyu either. He started it, and Ricky played ball. I just think Ricky did most of the firty work in that fight. But you're right, Kostya was holding his ass off.

                  Floyd was walking Hatton into shots. That's why he was walking straight back and hitting Hatton square in the middle of the face or on the hole in his jaw. Watch that fight again. You'll see that when Floyd was on his back foot he threw the right cross and when he was in the corner flat footed or on his front foot he threw the left hook.

                  When they were inside Floyd didn't just do the shoulder role, but he also threw body shots and caught almost every punch with his elbows. When he needed to Floyd also shoved Hatton back. I just don't see Pacquiao fighting with that level of textbook precision. I also don't see Pacquiao making Hatton work to get into punching range the way Floyd did. That'll save Hatton from expending so much energy and getting tired.

                  I agree with you that Hatton fouls a lot. The one fight where he wasn't allowed to foul half as much as usual (Mayweather fight) everyone and their mama cried about the ref. So, I bet he's allowed to foul like crazy against Pacquiao. But I thought it was interesting that he didn't foul much against Malignaggi. I don't know if that was Floyd Sr.'s influence or just that Malignaggi didn't bring much to the party.
                  I don't see Pacquiao fighting with the same level of precision that Floyd fought Hatton either. It's going to be a much different approach from Manny. But Manny is just so much faster, and his skill level is beyond Ricky's, I don't think there is any debating that.

                  I think a lot of people will be surprised at Manny's power in the Hatton fight. I know he's never been at 140lbs before, but at 147lbs he managed to hurt the cross-dresser with his jab alone.

                  I think it will be an exciting war, for as long as it lasts. But I don't see Hatton's chin or skin holding up past the 9th.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by The_Bringer
                    You won't hear me defending Tszyu either. He started it, and Ricky played ball. I just think Ricky did most of the firty work in that fight. But you're right, Kostya was holding his ass off.



                    I don't see Pacquiao fighting with the same level of precision that Floyd fought Hatton either. It's going to be a much different approach from Manny. But Manny is just so much faster, and his skill level is beyond Ricky's, I don't think there is any debating that.

                    I think a lot of people will be surprised at Manny's power in the Hatton fight. I know he's never been at 140lbs before, but at 147lbs he managed to hurt the cross-dresser with his jab alone.

                    I think it will be an exciting war, for as long as it lasts. But I don't see Hatton's chin or skin holding up past the 9th.
                    Maybe...I just don't think Pacquiao is a KO puncher at the weight which would mean that in order to KO Hatton he'd have to win a battle of attrition. Roach is too smart to let Pacquiao do all of that. I think if Pacquiao wins it'll be a 12 round UD.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by javelin_fangs
                      Maybe...I just don't think Pacquiao is a KO puncher at the weight which would mean that in order to KO Hatton he'd have to win a battle of attrition. Roach is too smart to let Pacquiao do all of that. I think if Pacquiao wins it'll be a 12 round UD.
                      If pacman tries to beat Hatton toe to toe, he will get stopped.

                      Roach is to smart to let that happen, pacman will be elusive and try and win rounds from the outside and clinch up close to force the ref to seperate them.

                      Hatton is poor against Southpaws, and that is far more a factor than athe nonesence cut rubbish that alot of people are coming out with.

                      The last serious Cut Hatton has wa against olivera i think and it was a headclash not a punch, Hatton hasn't had an issue with cuts in literally years.

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