Better Resume: De La Hoya or Pacquiao

[Golden Boy 360]

Pacquiao
Marco Antonio Barrera x2
De La Hoya
Juan Manuel Marquez
Erik Morales x2
Jorge Solis
Sasakul
David Diaz

De La Hoya
Fernando Vargas
Julio Ceasar Chavez x2
Ricardo Mayorga
Arturo Gatti
Pernell Whitaker
Ike Quartey

Optional 4 DLH
Shane Mosley
Felix Trinidad

[LilGizmo562]

I say Manny just on beating Barrera, Marquez (I honestly felt their 2nd fight was a draw but he got the W in his record) and Morales (even though he shouldn't have accepted the 3rdd fight at 130 lbs) while DLH lost to Trinidad (felt DLH won, but Tito got the W), Mosely, Hopkins, Mayweather and Manny.

[hellfire508]

I say Manny just on beating Barrera, Marquez (I honestly felt their 2nd fight was a draw but he got the W in his record) and Morales (even though he shouldn't have accepted the 3rdd fight at 130 lbs) while DLH lost to Trinidad (felt DLH won, but Tito got the W), Mosely, Hopkins, Mayweather and Manny.

So you point out Manny's wins, and then Oscar's losses? That's fair.

From another angle, you could say Oscar beat Trinidad and Mosley (2nd fight), as well as Vargas, Whitaker, Quartey and Chavez, and Pacquiao lost to the only live version of Morales he faced, and was knocked out twice in three rounds earlier in his career.

They are the facts (we all know Oscar beat Tito ). But I don't really believe it from that angle. I think they are very close, both have some big wins, Oscar was definitely robbed in his career defining fight. When looking at his resume I give him a win in that fight, and I know he didn't beat Felix Sturm, I give him a loss there. A case can be made he lost to Whitaker too, but it was far more disputable than the Tito fight, which was a clear robbery.

Oscar certainly has the deeper resume in my eyes, but Pacquiao has some massive wins. I'm sure he'll be ahead by the time he retires, after he crushes Hatton and has a chance against Floyd.

Both are ATGs.

[S.G.]

Oscar

Pacman can only overtake him by BEATING Mayweather

[LilGizmo562]

So you point out Manny's wins, and then Oscar's losses? That's fair.

From another angle, you could say Oscar beat Trinidad and Mosley (2nd fight), as well as Vargas, Whitaker, Quartey and Chavez, and Pacquiao lost to the only live version of Morales he faced, and was knocked out twice in three rounds earlier in his career.

They are the facts (we all know Oscar beat Tito ). But I don't really believe it from that angle. I think they are very close, both have some big wins, Oscar was definitely robbed in his career defining fight. When looking at his resume I give him a win in that fight, and I know he didn't beat Felix Sturm, I give him a loss there. A case can be made he lost to Whitaker too, but it was far more disputable than the Tito fight, which was a clear robbery.

Oscar certainly has the deeper resume in my eyes, but Pacquiao has some massive wins. I'm sure he'll be ahead by the time he retires, after he crushes Hatton and has a chance against Floyd.

Both are ATGs.

I said Mosely once, because the rematch doesn't count to me (steroids) and true didn't really think of it that way...I'm just saying, Manny won most( I honestly believe Marquez beat him the 1st and draw the 2nd but oh well and Morales had no business at 130 for the 3rd fight) of the "BIG" fight then Oscar did, that why I give Manny the slight edge.

[AztecWanker]

So you point out Manny's wins, and then Oscar's losses? That's fair.

From another angle, you could say Oscar beat Trinidad and Mosley (2nd fight), as well as Vargas, Whitaker, Quartey and Chavez, and Pacquiao lost to the only live version of Morales he faced, and was knocked out twice in three rounds earlier in his career.

They are the facts (we all know Oscar beat Tito ). But I don't really believe it from that angle. I think they are very close, both have some big wins, Oscar was definitely robbed in his career defining fight. When looking at his resume I give him a win in that fight, and I know he didn't beat Felix Sturm, I give him a loss there. A case can be made he lost to Whitaker too, but it was far more disputable than the Tito fight, which was a clear robbery.

Oscar certainly has the deeper resume in my eyes, but Pacquiao has some massive wins. I'm sure he'll be ahead by the time he retires, after he crushes Hatton and has a chance against Floyd.

Both are ATGs.

i thought oscar lost to quartey. chavez was already cut going into their first fight. he fought a shell of vargas after tito ruined him, then he lost all of his big fights. oscar is wack

[hellfire508]

i thought oscar lost to quartey. chavez was already cut going into their first fight. he fought a shell of vargas after tito ruined him, then he lost all of his big fights. oscar is wack

Yeah a case can be made for Quartey winning too, but I personally thought Oscar snatched it in the 12th with the KD and near stoppage. A case can be made for Marquez beating Pac too. Vargas was hardly a shell, he was on roids and you only had to watch his performance that night to know he was a beast. Just because he was a bit off in the preceding fights doesn't change the performance he put on against Oscar. A brilliant win for Oscar.

By the way, I'm curious... In your sig you mention JMM as one of your all-time favourites, but he doesn't feature in your current favourites? Why?

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

People here always mistakes better resume with better career or better wins. Resume wise Oscar resume is the best of all time. He have more big names than anybody in the sport now and in the past. Ofcourse he didnt won most of his big fights, but that doesnt have anything to do with a better resume!!

[AztecWanker]

Yeah a case can be made for Quartey winning too, but I personally thought Oscar snatched it in the 12th with the KD and near stoppage. A case can be made for Marquez beating Pac too. Vargas was hardly a shell, he was on roids and you only had to watch his performance that night to know he was a beast. Just because he was a bit off in the preceding fights doesn't change the performance he put on against Oscar. A brilliant win for Oscar.

i can agree with that but no question that he avoided him until after vargas fought tito.

[Silencers]

DLH to me.