Super Middleweight was/is a safehouse wasteland designed to favor the lacking.

[TheGreatA]

160 has been pretty bad for a decade or so, aside from the champions of course (Hopkins, Taylor, Pavlik, Abraham).

168 has more depth although no one has established themselves as the champion after Calzaghe.

[TheGreatA]

You really need to shut the **** up. You the biggest racist nationatistic soft piece of **** on here. You make all Wlad fans look bad.

****ing worthless racist scum.

To be fair BadNewz is as ignorant as it gets on these forums.

I remember he once said that people ranking Duran among the all-time greats is a conspiracy against black fighters...

Wlad Owns is the other side of the coin.

[TheGreatA]

Traditionally....from '84 to the present day...where do the best fighters and competition hang their hat between the 3 divisions I'm referring to..?

I'm 1000% right.

Past Super Middleweight champions:

Thomas Hearns
Ray Leonard
James Toney
Michael Nunn
Roy Jones
Chris Eubank
Nigel Benn
Steve Collins
Joe Calzaghe

It's not a bad division. I would say both Toney and Jones were at their best as super middleweights.

I'm one of those that still think there should only be 8 weight divisions in boxing though. We would have stronger divisions if the light middleweights fought at middleweight and the super middleweights fought at light heavyweight.

Imagine a LHW division with

Joe Calzaghe
Bernard Hopkins
Glen Johnson
Chad Dawson
Antonio Tarver
Mikkel Kessler
Carl Froch
Lucian Bute
Adrian Diaconu
Librado Andrade
Zsolt Erdei
Sakio Bika
Hugo Garay
Andre Ward
Andre Dirrell
etc.

[DiegoFuego]

168 was special when you had Toney, Roy and McCallum there and that's it. It definitely is a tweener weight class where good --> pretty good fighters can make a career for themselves fighting nobodies like Calzaghe did

[The C.E.O.]

Past Super Middleweight champions:

Thomas Hearns
Ray Leonard
James Toney
Michael Nunn
Roy Jones
Chris Eubank
Nigel Benn
Steve Collins
Joe Calzaghe

It's not a bad division. I would say both Toney and Jones were at their best as super middleweights.

I'm one of those that still think there should only be 8 weight divisions in boxing though. We would have stronger divisions if the light middleweights fought at middleweight and the super middleweights fought at light heavyweight.

Imagine a LHW division with

Joe Calzaghe
Bernard Hopkins
Glen Johnson
Chad Dawson
Antonio Tarver
Mikkel Kessler
Carl Froch
Lucian Bute
Adrian Diaconu
Librado Andrade
Zsolt Erdei
Sakio Bika
Hugo Garay
Andre Ward
Andre Dirrell
etc.

The first 5 you mentioned didn't "hang their hat" or get famous by fighting at 168, Manchine....it was a nice place to visit, wouldn't wanna live there thing...you know that...

I agree with your last bit though....but then you wouldn't see many, if any, champions from the lesser countries at Light Heavy...considering everyone on it was at their best....

[daggum]

Past Super Middleweight champions:

Thomas Hearns
Ray Leonard
James Toney
Michael Nunn
Roy Jones
Chris Eubank
Nigel Benn
Steve Collins
Joe Calzaghe

It's not a bad division. I would say both Toney and Jones were at their best as super middleweights.

I'm one of those that still think there should only be 8 weight divisions in boxing though. We would have stronger divisions if the light middleweights fought at middleweight and the super middleweights fought at light heavyweight.

Imagine a LHW division with

Joe Calzaghe
Bernard Hopkins
Glen Johnson
Chad Dawson
Antonio Tarver
Mikkel Kessler
Carl Froch
Lucian Bute
Adrian Diaconu
Librado Andrade
Zsolt Erdei
Sakio Bika
Hugo Garay
Andre Ward
Andre Dirrell
etc.

only person there who didn't fight in other weight divisions is mrs. joe calzaghe. everyone else spent their careers divided between various weight divisions looking for the best fights. mrs. calzaghe stayed at supermiddle his whole career and only moved up for 1 fight against hopkins then the jones farce then quit boxing when he ****** enough money out of it.

[TheGreatA]

The first 5 you mentioned didn't "hang their hat" or get famous by fighting at 168, Manchine....it was a nice place to visit, wouldn't wanna live there thing...you know that...

I agree with your last bit though....but then you wouldn't see many, if any, champions from the lesser countries at Light Heavy...considering everyone on it was at their best....

Toney had some of his best wins at that weight. He was inconsistent at 160 and wasn't thought to be a great p4p fighter until he went up to super middleweight. The only reason he didn't stay there was because he couldn't make the weight anymore.

Roy Jones had the biggest win of his career over Toney at 168 and defended his titles in what were arguably his most complete performances.

Eubank and Benn were probably at their best as middleweights.

mrs. calzaghe stayed at supermiddle his whole career and only moved up for 1 fight against hopkins then the jones farce then quit boxing when he ****** enough money out of it.

He still moved up to LHW and beat the recognized champ Bernard Hopkins, no matter how old Hopkins was. You can't take that away from him.

[daggum]

Toney had some of his best wins at that weight. He was inconsistent at 160 and wasn't thought to be a great p4p fighter until he went up to super middleweight. The only reason he didn't stay there was because he couldn't make the weight anymore.

Roy Jones had the biggest win of his career over Toney at 168 and defended his titles in what were arguably his most complete performances.

Eubank and Benn were probably at their best as middleweights.



He still moved up to LHW and beat the recognized champ Bernard Hopkins, no matter how old Hopkins was. You can't take that away from him.

wouldn't say he beat him more like gave him a nice windmilling demo about 6 inches away from his face.

[hammerhiem]

Boxing needs 9 divisions imo.

-120 - bantam
130 - feather
140 - light
150 - welter
160 - Middle
170 - Super Middle
180 - light heavy
190 - Cruiser
200+ Heavy

I mean honestly is there really any point in having 4 divisions from 120-140? and 4 from 140-160?

[Shadow boxer 3]

thread starter is absolutly correct. 168 is just a pit stop for fighters on there way to 175. some fighters skip 168 all togther and jump to 175 (B-Hop). the only reason why fighters stayed a 168 is because it was a weak division and they had a good chance of dominating or just winning a belt. why do u think calzaghe stayed there for over a decade in his prime when there was so much competion at 175.