Career Ending Or Shortening Fights.

[Rockin']

You guys are correct when you say that a single beating will change the way that a fighter goes into the ring. But you must also remember that it changes these fighters as people as well. One solid beating will just alter them. They are the same person but its like they have just come out of a deep sleep and have yet to regain all of their senses. The distant eyes and distant mind, the slower way of speaking, the lack of mental organization. It really is like somebody that just woke up from a deep sleep, but they will never again fully awaken. Their thoughts and mind half in reality, half still somewhere else..........Rockin'

[JT1]

Ali's two wins over Liston badly affected his career. Some fighters lose their aura of invincibilty and are never the same again. Here are a few in THAT category

Hearns KO Cuevas
Honeyghan KO Curry
Curry KO McCrory
Ali Ko Liston!!!
Ali KO Foreman
Sandavol KO Chandler
Holmes KO Cooney
Tyson KO Spinks - never fought again
Tarver KO Jones - look at his next fight, tho he was slipping
Nelson KO Fenech - over the hill overnight
Jones KO Nunn - never THAT good again
Hearns DECISION Hill - not a KO but first loss
Duran KO Moore


i think all of the above are applicable here

[The Troll]

Ali's two wins over Liston badly affected his career. Some fighters lose their aura of invincibilty and are never the same again. Here are a few in THAT category

Hearns KO Cuevas
Honeyghan KO Curry
Curry KO McCrory
Ali Ko Liston!!!
Ali KO Foreman
Sandavol KO Chandler
Holmes KO Cooney
Tyson KO Spinks - never fought again
Tarver KO Jones - look at his next fight, tho he was slipping
Nelson KO Fenech - over the hill overnight
Jones KO Nunn - never THAT good again
Hearns DECISION Hill - not a KO but first loss
Duran KO Moore


i think all of the above are applicable here

Jones never fought Micheel Nunn to my knowledge.

Liston went on for a while after he laid down in the second Ali fight eventually to be KO'd in a bid for the NABF title.

Foreman retired more from Ali ducking him for so many years than the defeat in 1974. Besides that I will have to assume the rest of the list is somewhat accurate.

[Brother Mouzone]

trinidad vs. reid
trinidad vs. vargas
trinidad vs. joppy

say what you want about trinidad .. he is one demensional, can't box and got dominated by hopkins and winky ...but the fact remains tito ended careers he is one of the most devastating fighters of this era ... reid ,vargas, and joppy were never the same after the beating tito handed them ..

[JT1]

Sorry McKay, i of course meant Toney. Too busy thinking of Jones - Toney. Liston was considered pretty much invincible and regarded by many as the greatest heavy ever going into the Clay fight. No matter what he did after it can never even scratch the surface of the aura he had before that bout.

[MetalVomit]

That has to be the saddest tragic story out there for me. That Legendary Nights episode always makes me cry at the end. I have no shame in admitting that at all. The rise and fall of a great ring warrior.

Hey man, that's the price you have to be willing to pay when you step in the ring. Very unfortunate.

[JT1]

Oops McKay i didn't answer ya last. BTW who is Micheel Nunn? One good typo deserves another hehehe :P

Whether Ali ducked him or not Foreman quit. If he EARNED a return bout Ali would have no choice. I find it hard to believe Ali ducked him, i thought it was the hallucination card that made him retire. I never said what retired him tho, just that he was never the same, and he wasn't!

[The Troll]

Oops McKay i didn't answer ya last. BTW who is Micheel Nunn? One good typo deserves another hehehe :P

Whether Ali ducked him or not Foreman quit. If he EARNED a return bout Ali would have no choice. I find it hard to believe Ali ducked him, i thought it was the hallucination card that made him retire. I never said what retired him tho, just that he was never the same, and he wasn't!

OF course Foreman deserved a rematch with Ali. Before Ali fought Frazier the 3rd time. Frazier had recently been destroyed by Foreman and stopped in the 2nd round having been knocked down 8 times.

Instead of fighting Foreman Ali fought....Chuck Wepner,Ron Lyle, Joe Bugner, Joe Frazier, Jean Pierre Coopman.

Frazier is one of my favorite fighters of all time and the 3rd fight was great but Foreman was clearly more deserving of a fight with Ali and title shot at that time. Ali said after the 3rd Frazier fight he was going to fight Foreman next but and then retire but of course never did.

[JT1]

You need to check your dates. Frazier was destroyed by Foreman AFTER his third Ali fight, not before. But yes looking at the stats i agree, after George beat Frazier the second time he should have been next in line. Was Foreman to fight Ali if he beat Young? which he didn't.

[Piggu]

JC Chavez versus Meldrick Taylor